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Post by badger1 on Feb 24, 2014 17:29:08 GMT -5
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Post by shiftysgarand on Feb 24, 2014 18:12:03 GMT -5
420 fps? I didn't know it shot that hard. Ouch.
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Post by HornetWSO on Feb 24, 2014 18:25:42 GMT -5
Looks pretty good for $600!
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Post by 2nd Bat on Feb 24, 2014 18:29:11 GMT -5
Wow!!!!! No real excuse not to have one per every six or seven krauts. Wow! obvioysly a game changer if this works as well as indicated and proves to be durable. A mini 8.4 volt battery seems a bit anemic for this type of weapon but Li poly will probably prove to be the way to go. Obviously a counterpart M1919A6 is a gap that will need to be filled soon although a BAR for every 4th or 5th GI will probably work in the meantime. I will be anxious to hear how these hold up and obvioysly can't wait to add one to the armory. Much as I would have liked to I just couldn't justify the cost of previous MG 34. - 42 offerings. This is right in line with what I have been hoping for
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Post by LϟϟAH1944 on Feb 24, 2014 18:38:57 GMT -5
I MIGHT actually pick one up. I've always been wanting one, and now that ones out, I might take advantage of this, but first, I'd like to hear from people who own em how good they are.
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Post by geostormz on Feb 25, 2014 16:53:13 GMT -5
I just recently got an Matrix MG 42 from Evike and the brand on the box is AGM with S&T internals. It is a lot lighter than the real MG42 but what can you expect from China. The internal is pretty clean as I open it up. It shoot smooth but the drum mag does not wind up until you hold down the trigger for ~5 seconds. I recently used it in a local game and I have to say it does have a strong sustain fire capability, I was using a 7.4V battery. I was fire about 700-800 rounds continuously before I have to let the motor cool down. What I love best is the people that I shot at could not put their head out, I was not expecting that. Another downside is that the stock hop up suck, its very soft and does not hop at all. Even so I was still able to get to 40 meters kills no problem. I have to arch it up though.
Cosmetically its not too great, the stock finish is really low quality. I scratch it a little and all the white clear coat started to show. I had to spent an hour sanding it down and refinishing it. The flash hider is plastic and there is no metal replacement part, nothing a can of krylon could not fix though. Over all I give it a 8 out of 10. Let me know if there is anything else you want to find out about it.
I hope it help.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Feb 25, 2014 18:55:21 GMT -5
Great report. Keep us posted on ongoing performance and durability. It sounds like the suppressive monster an mg 42 should be and the lighter weight is an easy fix for those inclined. I'm assuming you used a 7.4 lipoly battery with it. What was your actual chrono results assuming you were able to do do? With 700 round straight bursts (pathetically unrealistic i might add) i can't imagine any hop up is going to last for long.
I would have guessed that given the timing this agm is one and the same with the matrix offering. Who did you buy yours from?
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Post by insterburger on Feb 25, 2014 19:54:24 GMT -5
I MIGHT actually pick one up. I've always been wanting one, and now that ones out, I might take advantage of this, but first, I'd like to hear from people who own em how good they are. Wait a few weeks and you can try one yourself. I have one sitting on my workbench right now, which will be coming up the Remagen game. To all appearances, the one from Airsoftmegastore is the same as the Evike one. I'm quite sure it's just alternate branding from the same manufacturer.
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Post by brownien on Feb 25, 2014 20:40:10 GMT -5
Insterberger, I trust you will be swapping the stock battery out for a 12v autolite? Need to get the ROF up there where it belongs! lol! But in all seriousness, from seeing the mods people do to their M4's to make them into insanely fast BB hoses, doing the same thing to an aeg mg42 would be much more worthwhile! High speed motor, with a higher voltage battery would make that thing churn out BB's like no tomorrow! Surely it would get us GI's heads down quickly!
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Post by insterburger on Feb 25, 2014 21:13:46 GMT -5
Not ready to go up to those ultra-high output LiPo batteries, but I think I'll be fielding it with at least a 9.6v for the time being. Maybe when I'm able to do some mods on it, I can take it up to true "Hitler's Buzzsaw" ROF.
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Post by newcomer on Feb 25, 2014 21:28:07 GMT -5
would be interesting when get affordable/practical K98's to work with this baby. Would add a new dynamic to squad tactics on both sides IMO.
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Post by badger1 on Feb 25, 2014 21:29:45 GMT -5
According to the description, it is a V2 gearbox, so a P* upgrade would not be impossible.
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Post by geostormz on Feb 25, 2014 21:35:48 GMT -5
2nd Bat, I got my MG 42 from evike for $630 but with the 21% discount code it comes out to a whopping $525 total. All in all a good deal I think. On a side note, I had to get the boss lady approval for it too . Sorry I did not clarify in me earlier post but I was firing in 10s interval for a over 2 minutes to suppress another player. The stock hop up does nothing for me even when I first test shot it. Thank god its build exactly like a v3. hop up so it only took me 5 mins to change the nub to a Madbull H nub. Here is a link on more internal of the gun. www.airsoftcanada.com/showthread.php?t=161920(He even got a link to the replacement motor for the drum mag, which I think will work better judging from the you tube video.) OK i just chrono my Matrix MG42 (AKA AGM/S&T MG42) and here are the result. Its not too impressive but its a stock gun right now. I planned to replace the spring at least thanks to the QD spring guide. RoF: 630 rmp or 10.05 rps FPS: (with Goldenball .20g) 343 - 353 fps. Battery: 7.4V Lipo I suspect it will have a better rate of fire with a 11.1V Lipo
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Post by insterburger on Feb 25, 2014 21:53:36 GMT -5
would be interesting when get affordable/practical K98's to work with this baby. Would add a new dynamic to squad tactics on both sides IMO. That is exactly the direction we're going in the NE. Right now we've got StG44's and MP40's we're fielding on semi-auto, but we're actively trying to get more 98k's into the field as well. Going to bolt/semi with a single supporting gunner makes it a whole new game, and a far better one at that. The more players who try it, the more I see WWII airsoft going that way, and becoming a much truer recreation of actual WWII infantry tactics (albeit on a smaller scale).
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Post by 2nd Bat on Feb 25, 2014 23:51:48 GMT -5
343 to 353 FPS is just fine. The range is virtually identical to what it would be shooting at 420 FPS and frankly with a super high rate of fire it would be safer. Its great to hear a hop up upgrade was easy to do. This is definitely big news for WW2 airsoft. Ultimately the challenge for most squad machine guns tends to be the feed system. It will be interesting to see how the box magazines hold up.
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Post by newcomer on Feb 26, 2014 0:31:08 GMT -5
I look forward to being able to scream "MACHINE GUN!" at the top of my lungs when one of these things unloads onto my squad
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Post by stuka on Feb 26, 2014 20:04:41 GMT -5
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Post by geostormz on Feb 27, 2014 4:36:27 GMT -5
Thanks Stuka, I was looking into making my own drum mag but it look like I can just buy one now. While were on the topic of drum mags, does any one know if MG team carry Gurttrommeltrager using the a frame? I seem to remember a picture that show an MG assistant gunner carrying one on his back.
I do know that the Gurttrommeltrager is usually carry by vehicle but I just wanted to know. Thanks.
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Post by cdi on Mar 13, 2014 22:27:51 GMT -5
I was about to drop around 550 shipped for mine today from evike. About an hour and a half ago they lowered the price to 499!!! Just picked it up with free three day shipping! Wo hoo! Expect pics by mid week.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Mar 18, 2014 20:00:13 GMT -5
Very impressive.
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Post by cdi on Mar 19, 2014 20:22:59 GMT -5
www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwMR4ajbLfwI am kinda disapointed with the horrible piss poor quality of the AGM/S&T/Matrix MG42. The tolerances are horrible, the charging handle is terrible, the drum mag design is horrible (lots of small gaps that will allow dirt and grime in). The bipod is just unspeakably horrific. My rear sight is bent. I guess if I wanted to be upbeat about it I could say it was produced very late war...... The hop up took about 2000 rounds to be broken in. I'm worried that it is going to break apart on me in the field.
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Post by ssgjoe on Mar 19, 2014 20:28:28 GMT -5
I guess matrix is the way to go.
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Post by aj czarkowski on Mar 20, 2014 19:39:35 GMT -5
I guess matrix is the way to go. actually I think that's the bad one
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Post by cdi on Mar 20, 2014 19:56:27 GMT -5
The gun is manufactured by AGM/S&T Evike has its own brand called "matrix" It is just the exact same AGM/S&T gun.
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Post by stuka on Mar 20, 2014 20:43:24 GMT -5
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Post by 2nd Bat on Mar 20, 2014 23:08:41 GMT -5
Based on the GnG Garand the release video on their MG 42 would put it somewhere around 2 or 3 years away. Clearly the AGM/ Matrix release while it shows promise has some real challenges. The video submission from the recent owners is very helpful. The fact that its not as solid or well made as THE ACTUAL gun shouldn't come as any great shock to anyone although the broken charging handle and flimsiness is disappointing. I noticed he didn't shoot his converted real steel (hmmmmm perhaps like most customs it's just not quite in functional order)
I'm thrilled to see an affordable MG 42 come out and expect there will quickly be ways to improve them and make them more robust. The report on the hop up (lack thereof initially) is consistent with ones I've seen. Obviously for this to function as a squad support weapon it needs range equal to or greater then main battle weapons.
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Post by cdi on Mar 21, 2014 0:31:45 GMT -5
I did not shoot the custom gun as i'm waiting for a piece of spring tubing to come in for the mag feeding system. Other than that it works decently.
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Post by geostormz on Mar 21, 2014 23:13:06 GMT -5
So far mine have hold out after one full weekend skirmish. I'm a little sadden by the cheap metal they use for the body and the charging handle as stated above is worthless. I've upgraded mine with a g&g fish bone hop up and it is getting amazing range on the stock spring. Last time I shot it with the upgrade nub, I was able to get a shot out to 180 - 200 ft. The player who I shot comment that it hurt quite a bit , I'm always happy to hear that. CDI, I checked my sight post and found that it is almost perfectly aligned. Also I test the charging handle for about five mins and did not see that it was out of line. Can you take a picture with the charging handle by itself may be its some thing that you can fix. I notice that the handle is hold by three cheap rivet, could those have broke off. There is also a little retaining nub at the front of the charging handle bar, could it have broke off or misaligned? Is there any other MG42 owner out there who has the same problem? I guess I'm quite lucky to get mine in the condition that it is in. This just goes to that ACM stuff has no quality control.
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Post by shiftysgarand on Mar 23, 2014 18:52:05 GMT -5
Woah, quick change barrel? Nice! Having the Krauts need to change that every 500 rounds or so (just take it out and put it back in) would add even more realism and require more realistic tactics.
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Post by stuka on Mar 23, 2014 20:25:08 GMT -5
howq the nuts would you measure that? you would need to have more of a "no longer then 2 second burst other wise you need to stop and change barrel" you could also implement a second between burst to keep it from "overheating" while that would be cool that wouldn't really work at most airsofts games. if you want to thts fine but it's not easy to say "every 500 rounds"
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