Would this be accurate for M36 tunic?

[luftwelle93]

I plan on getting an M36 tunic for Christmas but want it to be accurate with late-war period.I've heard that M36 tunics were issued from stock in late-war period.I was wondering if they used the M36 litzen or late-war litzens sewn on or both?

Thanks

[Dracul]

From what I gathered from around here, is that the M36 tunics are good for both early war and late war. Sure by late war they had the M40 tunics and HBT blouses, but you still would have seen M36's until the end of the war.

[luftwelle93]

Ah good.Its a nice looking Feldbluse and will look good in my collection!I'll probably add late-war generic litzen for good measure.I'm getting it from Hiki,this time a size small

[Dracul]

Yeah, as a good measure, any uniform from any country from the start of any conflict, would be seen until the end of it. So, its always safe to buy the older stuff.

[luftwelle93]

Nice!I should have my Heer impression complete by Christmas or latter.I am tempted to also get a Hiki HBT M36.Its cool but in WW2 it would of been SUPER rare and just would of been a more personal choice for tailoring.

[LϟϟAH1944]

Stay away from HBT m36s.

[ssgjoe]

A uniform that never existed is an HBT m36. Never ever buy one.

[luftwelle93]

Roger that!I wonder why they have it.Maybe just a little novelty :DAnyway a regular M36 will suit me good for the impression.I'm also getting a greatcoat with it.I already have a zelt thats on the way.

[2nd Bat]

Was the HBT Dot uniform a real deal or fantasy item? I f so what do I need to know about insignia (if any)? I am assuming if these existed it was an SS only deal?

[ssgjoe]

Dot 44 camouflage uniforms for the Waffen SS were only made in cotton HBT, not wool

[luftwelle93]

Speaking of camo,I was thinking of getting a splinter smock.Since I have a zelt now I really don't need one now :DWere smocks even comon in the Heer?

[2nd Bat]

Camo smocks in Splinter apparently did exist as an issued item for Heer typically for specific campaigns and assaults but overall not especially commonplace.

[luftwelle93]

Okay,sounds alright.Smocks aren't on top of my list.The only camo I'll probably use is a splinter helmet cover.I'll probably need a greatcoat...soon for obvious reasons

[insterburger]

Nov 13, 2014 22:06:47 GMT -5 2nd Bat said:

Was the HBT Dot uniform a real deal or fantasy item? I f so what do I need to know about insignia (if any)? I am assuming if these existed it was an SS only deal?

My understanding is that they were typically issued (and worn) with NO insignia, but in some cases collar tabs or sleeve eagles or both were field applied by the men, and occasionally they may have had sleeve eagles and/or shoulder board buttons and loops factory-applied. Probably the safest bet (and cheapest route) is to have no insignia. But the SS guys may be able to provide more insight.

[ssgjoe]

Sleeve eagles to my understanding were pretty common on dot uniforms. But I've even seen cuff titles in dot uniforms, but that is definitely NOT the norm.

[aldrich]

Sleeve eagles were common. Anything outside of that is a field modification done by someone in either a high position or with lots of time on their hands. Most soldiers just took what they were given. The Dot uniform was meant to replace the white or green work uniforms issued earlier in the war. Since every soldier was still expected to have the wool tunic, they were usually kept pretty bland. Outside the Dot hbt four pocket uniform, however, I would avoid dot44 patterned things. Those are the fantasy items.

[2nd Bat]

It looks like from pictures that some do in fact have collar insignia although perhaps they are collars from a uniform underneath?( as was done with smocks. ) Were these a coverall or stand alone uniform? Or perhaps either depending on conditions?

were the DOT two piece uniforms worn by officers, NCOs and enlisted ranks?

[patrickl29th]

For Heer stay away from smocks... Not that many units had them. For camo its best to use a zelt.

[patrickl29th]

Nov 14, 2014 10:51:45 GMT -5 2nd Bat said:

It looks like from pictures that some do in fact have collar insignia although perhaps they are collars from a uniform underneath?( as was done with smocks. ) Were these a coverall or stand alone uniform? Or perhaps either depending on conditions?

were the DOT two piece uniforms worn by officers, NCOs and enlisted ranks?

It depended on the conditions. In some battle of the bulge pics, they are wearing HBT dot over there wools. And they were issued to enlisted ranks to.

[aldrich]

"Technically" they were meant to be worn over the wool tunic to protect it like the drillich uniforms. In reality they were used as a HBT uniform during the summer and worn in place of wools. The Dot44 tunic was also eventually meant to be a universal camo uniform to be worn over wools and replace the smocks and was therefore issued to all and every rank. While some troops did add "bling" to their uniforms, it was up to the local officers as to whether or not that was allowed. That is why in some pictures you see a group of guys with added insignia, but in most you do not.

[LϟϟAH1944]

Dot was intended to be the SS form of drillich. You see them year round; they don't seem to have been issued then taken back 9despite what people claim). It could be worn alone or over wools; it was intended to replace the smock. Early dot was made with board loops (VERY EARLY), but none would have had tabs unless added. Eagles are sort of whatever you want; some had none, some had regular bevo, and some had tropical eagles. Dot was not just HBT- Sateen ("smooth cotton") also exists. As for issuing, anyone- officers, ncos, ems- all could have had it.

The ONLY issued things made from dot are:

-2 pc infantry uniforms (m43 cut)
-2 pc Panzer uniforms
-winter parka sets and mittens/kopfhaubes(very uncommon)
-FJ jump smocks (exist, but never made it to the lines)


for Heer, go with a zelt! Very common, everyone had one, yet I never see reenactors wearing them.

[insterburger]

Nov 14, 2014 14:58:48 GMT -5 LϟϟAH1944 said:

for Heer, go with a zelt! Very common, everyone had one, yet I never see reenactors wearing them.

Never say never!

[LϟϟAH1944]

That's jer right? Awesome kit, only thing id say is to ditch the cover.

[luftwelle93]

Nice!Zelts are actually pretty useful outside of reenacting.

[2nd Bat]

I remember LZZAH wearing a zelt (briefly). Its a good look albeit a bit awkward to skirmish in. i originally planned to get a bunch of Zelts rather than smocks as my inexpensive loaner set ups but realized I needed something reasonable underneath.

[insterburger]

Nov 14, 2014 17:10:38 GMT -5 LϟϟAH1944 said:

That's jer right? Awesome kit, only thing id say is to ditch the cover.

I think it's fine as is. Heer helmet covers were hardly ubiquitous but were not at all uncommon, and especially in the West during the period after D-Day-- the period we portray somewhere around 100% of the time-- were especially seen among front line combat troops (also what we portray). Given that they're very popular among the guys who play in the NE it ends up looking even better, as the fairly high incidence of them creates an overall impression of a unit that was issued them, with a few that fell by the wayside. Add to that the fact that they do provide better camouflage than a bare steel helmet and the foliage loops are useful, and I'd say keep the cover!

[2nd Bat]

Given that I have a dozen really cheezy German helmets I definitely don't want to ditch the covers. I do the same with my US helmets which are mostly a bunch of plastic drill covers which when I got them were chrome! I have since painted them with cork or sand textured paint and put netting and in some cases scrim. In all the posted pictures of my events I have never had anyone comment on "bad helmets". Although now that I have mentioned it, people no doubt will.