2nd Bat
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Post by 2nd Bat on Feb 2, 2015 0:39:01 GMT -5
Alden,
At 16 years old and having by your own admission never attended a WW2 airsoft event why in the world do you want to subject yourself to the inevitable comments about your shared fantasies? Our website is WW2 Airsoft it isn't WW2 wouldnt it be cool if we won lotto airsoft.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Feb 2, 2015 0:54:29 GMT -5
This is WW2 AIRSOFT not ANIMEE UBER ALLES! Are you a troll or just not dipping both oars in the water? Most everyone here has imagined how cool lots of things could be but we try to limit our posts on things we have done or things we REALISTICALLY believe we can do. Please stick with posts that remain within the realm of possibilities within your budget or capabilities.
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stuka
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Post by stuka on Feb 2, 2015 2:19:10 GMT -5
pz2 would fit better for airsoft mg's me thinks and smaller and simpler and cheaper and easier to become reality and potato
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Jerry-ADK
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Post by Jerry-ADK on Feb 2, 2015 10:06:58 GMT -5
Alden, Your enthusiasm is appreciated, don't become discouraged with this forum. I only wish some trust funder or independently rich youngster or adult would build a real working airsoft tank. But the odds of that actually happening around here in the North East or anywhere are zero to none. It's hard enough right now getting enough infantry impressios on the field to have a decent game, let alone a panzer. That's why we are trying to encourage you to get into ww2 airsoft from the ground up. It's great to dream about building a armored vehicle, I am guilty of that as well as prolly everyone else here on this forum, but you have quickly realized how short we can be with new members posting Panzer dreams here on this forum, you are not the first. 2nd Bat has been here since the beginning and has actually built a flint stone powered panzer out of plywood and bicycle tires. That's why he says, let's see actual work before you post. As a new member and a potential WW2 airsofter we want you to participate in this forum, because we want more peeps here. But you have to realize why it gets our hackles up when new members come on hot and heavy about building a tank. To do it right it would cost a not to small fortune and a huge amount of time. But if you want to build a plywood flint stone powered tank bigger than half scale in your garage, go for it. Keep us up to date with the progress. I hope this post helps explaine the negative reaction you are receiving from us. Like I said we appreciate the enthusiasm, it's just the topic. It's just that in a time when fielding even a single squad is tough, dreams of Panzerlied don't seem like a reality.
But as to which tank to build, do a Panther, I always thought they look particularly menacing. I know thats not on your short list and niether is a Hetzer, which would fit the scale of airsoft well.
Also, try your hand and at building a cannon that can shoot nerfs. That's a project within reason, and can be very rewarding fast. And at least you will have a main gun system worth posting about. That would be a good start.
-JerryADK
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Post by brownien on Feb 2, 2015 10:49:38 GMT -5
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leichter_PanzerspähwagenA 222 could be built from a stripped pickup chassis from a junkyard, build a 2x4 or angle iron gram and sheet it with plywood. It'd be a process but, you could drive it, have considerable firepower, and compact. Plus no tracks to worry about
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Post by Dracul on Feb 2, 2015 10:59:26 GMT -5
I guess I'll throw in my 2 cents as well...
I don't think you are a troll, but by the way you are acting about this, posting anime stuff (and especially an anime that only somewhat relates to WWII), doesn't look good in the eyes of a lot of others here. If there is something sci-fi, anime, or fiction related to WWII, that you would like to discuss, thats kind of the reason why the Killroy section was made. Anything goes there. Everywhere else, try not to post that stuff.
Something from an anime for inspiration? No problem with that, but you have pick and choose what you say here. Not going to lie, I too am a straight up nerd. Cosplay/Costuming/Prop making, conventions, anime, sci-fi, video games, etc etc. I'm quite well known in that "world". People here kind of don't want to see that stuff since some of them are old to enough to have served in the War, or who had family members serve in the War, or those who just have served in general. Its like if I went on posting about "how to make a Panzer Hunden from Wolfenstein: The New Order". Yeah, its WWII related, because its an alternate 1960's where the Germans won the war and they built robots, power armor, lasers, etc etc, but it really isn't WWII related at that point. Airsofting is fun as hell, but there is a certain level of seriousness here that you have to take into consideration. I'm not telling you to not do a specific impression, or not to dream big, not be ambitious, or to get off the forums.
When I started to really get into this, I found that doing simple craftsman work, that everyone else seems to be able to do easily, hard as hell. I failed at making a G43, attempted a springer Kar98 twice. I'll be the first person to say that that type of stuff is hard as hell. The problem when being ambitious, is that when you fail, it really sucks.
While taking a truck or whatever and building a body for it out of whatever, may sound simple at first, but it really isn't. A lot of tools and construction know how are needed. Sorry for going off topic to Halo and Batman, I always wanted to build my own Warthog or construct a Batmobile. That would be freaking sweet, but I know if I do it, its going to end up crappy or just not work out and just fail. The reason why hollywood and all those "pro builds" that you see look good, is because the people who make those things have been in that specific craft for years. Either in a prop house or department for hollywood or they have been working on making car bodies for years.
Back on topic.
Personally, you are going to fail a few times, maybe a lot, or maybe you will be lucky and you won't. Gotta take baby steps. Gotta crawl before walking, and gotta walk before you run. Just throwing this out there. Maybe instead of going for a full vehicle conversion, try for a motor cycle conversion. Not just get old parts and put them on a newer bike, but craft older looking parts and put it on the newer bike. Hell, it doesn't need to be a bike or need be to be WWII. Just something thats going to cost much much less than a full car. Whatever you do, don't let failure get to you. If you fail, learn from your mistakes and the next one will be better. Self teaching yourself and ambition is a pair of cruel mistresses when you start out in any hobby that requires some sort of crafting skill. These days, I can sew like a mother ****er, and all the nerd costume contests I've won back that up, but damn, good thing pictures don't exist of my very very early works.
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Post by volkssturm on Feb 2, 2015 11:49:25 GMT -5
A PZKW II or 38(t) would actually be doable, maybe as a static display. They're not that big (compared to a Tiger at least). Making it move would get into a whole other level of complication. If you're gonna dream, dream big.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Feb 2, 2015 12:24:18 GMT -5
I really like that the community has jumped in with a supportive but candid manner and that you hopefully appreciate the input. My son and I indeed made a couple 1/2 scale Panthers and in retrospect they were fun projects. Though actually quite large (They were perfect for my seven year old son and his buddys). They were far too small to look right on the field with impressions. In looking back I wish I had made two Hetzers. Though Flintstone powered they were mounted on two motorcycle tires at the center point and the fake outer treads hid the inner cart. i made them out of thin plywood and coated the wood in a polyeurathane coating used to create bedliners. Each cost about $1,200.00 to make with scrounged materials. they ended up way heavier than I anticipated and were quite hard to push about other than on pavement. Even at half scale they were too big to store anywhere and inspite of geing under tarps eventually sort of rotted away.
I am glad I did the project as it was a fun father son Summer but I could have invested those funds far more effectively for the support of this hobby. I went Flintstone to avoid the inability to get event insurance where tactical vehicles were used. Ironically many years later I have done events with actual tanks (actually APCs and SP guns but armor none the less) Mobile armored vehicles add a lot to the dynamics of events but are needless to say ambitious to do.
A pseudo halftrack or small armored car on a beater pickup or small van would be a wiser choice.
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Post by insterburger on Feb 2, 2015 14:12:54 GMT -5
Alden, to be perfectly frank with you, anything you build at 1/3 scale for $300 will probably bring ridicule instead of admiration.
If you have (or will have) $300 to spend-- it might arguably be fairer to say "waste"-- on a diminutive Hetzer that will probably cause more giggles than fear, why not INVEST that money in a quality, fieldable impression? $300 will go a LONG way to putting together a VERY respectable infantry impression. Get yourself some Panzergrenadier shoulder boards and you can still relate yourself to the armored service.
Again, not trying to be harsh or crush your dreams, but if you're going to come here and solicit opinions, don't get upset with us for giving you our honest advice just because it doesn't jibe with what you've already decided or what you want to hear.
Have fun, and good luck!
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Post by LϟϟAH1944 on Feb 2, 2015 14:37:49 GMT -5
I reenact with a unit that owns many vehicles. Even if you somehow magically get one, no airsoft fields are big enough, and the money it takes to use it is incredible. Honestly, I'm sorta convinced the OP is trolling us.
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Post by LϟϟAH1944 on Feb 2, 2015 14:38:39 GMT -5
And a 1/2 scale hetzer would be about 3.5 feet tall...in other words, a complete joke. I know I sure as hell wouldn't let that into any event I host
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Post by LϟϟAH1944 on Feb 2, 2015 14:45:14 GMT -5
This is a reenacting forum, not really for imagination. Were trying to be authentic, not armored golfcarts.
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Post by luftwelle93 on Feb 2, 2015 14:55:30 GMT -5
Gentleman,gentleman lets all agree :DAldenlulamoon,if you want to build a tank so be it,its your money.I too would love to fly Piper as a Fieseler Storch and do recon with a Luftwaffe flieger impression but that is a long shot for me at the moment.I'd say build up on it bit-by-bit and do whatever impression you want.We all have dream projects
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Post by insterburger on Feb 2, 2015 15:08:10 GMT -5
Alden, if you don't know what to say, perhaps it's time to stop. You seem to have very strong ideas about the viability of your plans. Pretty much everyone here disagrees with you and have politely offered their opinions with rationales to back them up. It's clear you're not going to change your mind based on the expertise of the people here, but please don't think we would come around to your side.
I wouldn't go in front of a panel of doctors, tell them that my plan to get healthy consists of sitting in front of the TV and eating plate after plate of bacon all day, ask them what they think, and then get upset when they tell me I'm completely and profoundly wrong. If we're not telling you what you want to hear, you have the choice to listen to us or ignore us. But don't get upset that people who know more about this hobby than you do disagree with your plans. You've asked, we've answered, and there's nothing more to say.
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Post by aldenlulamoon on Feb 2, 2015 15:53:38 GMT -5
no, I guess there really isn't. Will the mods please lock this pointless thread so it doesn't waste even more of peoples' time?
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