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Post by grifter on Jun 22, 2015 8:14:17 GMT -5
Made from Denix version for some "metallic"   Gearbox M14 Cyma  Homemade stock to insert the gearbox, so this one is not has right size in body and handle Mp7 magazine shortcuts to it's simplest expression (16 Bbs)  Semi auto shoot to 300fps for this moment |
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Post by volkssturm on Jun 22, 2015 9:56:09 GMT -5
Looks good. I've fooled around with trying to get an M14 mechbox in the Cyma springer M1. It's just a little too tall and wide to fit.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jun 22, 2015 11:45:01 GMT -5
Given how hokey the base WELL carbine is you did a great job cosmetically tweaking it. I would love additional details on your modified MP7 magazine. Incidently (and this is minor minor nitpicking). The handguard in WW2 had two vent holes not the four holes which came post war.
For those unfamiliar with the WELL carbine it has a weak plastic gear box and an atrociously oversized high cap magazine. In addition it has multiple side side screw holes that need to be filled a rediculous fake hand pump over the charging handle, the post war bayonet lug and cheezy sling hardware. Grifter did a great job of cosmetic enhancements on this gun. The M14 gear box bringing it to 300 FPS provides inspiration for a viable, skirmishable, semi automatic carbine.
Great Job! thanks for sharing!
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Post by grifter on Jun 24, 2015 7:53:52 GMT -5
  It's sufficient as info? |
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jun 24, 2015 12:35:46 GMT -5
Thanks Gifter. That makes sense. I just looked closer and I was mistaken as I thought you had married the Well D96 Carbine with a CYMA gear box. instead if looks like you took a Denix Replica and then did considerably modification to the stock neck area and Denix stock to facilitate the conversion. yikes! lots and lots of work. Finally your ingenius magazine creativity! Brilliant effort! How many mags were you able to make for your custom? enough to make it skirmishable I hope? Do they feed okay?
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Post by grifter on Jun 25, 2015 2:18:16 GMT -5
I built 7, one on M1 and the others in the pouchs (stock and 2 on belt), I can built 2 again but no pouch for carry them. It's was enough for Gloucester (I don't much shooting more used to playing with K98) I never changed magazine also often  . Some "dry" fire on 2 magazines, not enough high (fixed since). |
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jun 25, 2015 8:05:27 GMT -5
Great report. One of the things i like about historical airsoft is that there is way less random bb slinging and more authentic use of ammo. Five To seven magazines no doubt would be just fine. Especially if you were used to a bolt action gas gun. The pictures from Cape Glouchester really showcased the event nicely. I bet your carbine was a big hit. It looks like there were lots of custom weapons there.
I sold a couple dozen M14 to M1 conversions into France. I wonder if any of my old builds were there?
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Post by para1944 on Jun 25, 2015 13:11:18 GMT -5
Sorry if this is off-topic.
Would it be possible to use a Version 6 gearbox instead of the M14 one?
I'm saying this since the version 6 gearbox can take the motor in a variety of angles, as seen by its use in the P90 and the Thompson. I know you would probably have to modify the motor mount or make a new one in order to re-angle the motor to fit the carbine's dimensions.
I would also be open to using the cheap springer carbine as a base.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jun 25, 2015 19:19:43 GMT -5
The process of repositioning a motor with any kind of precision is extremely involved. I'm certainly not suggesting that it is impossible, but the effort greatly exceeds the final outcome and the potential for reliability issues are huge. As it is the version seven will not fit in a unmodified carbine stock. Not how extensively Grifter had to alter the stock neck on his Denix to get it to work.
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Post by droopaille on Jun 27, 2015 8:12:55 GMT -5
In fact it is really easy to turn the motor, but only on around the coincidence of axis of the couple gears. It is difficult to explain it in english.
Do you know what I mean ?
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jun 27, 2015 21:10:45 GMT -5
Easy for you! we've seen the kinds of things you fabricate. Everytime i've seen people attempt it (other thanSchmitty ) it has not held up with use.
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Post by droopaille on Jun 28, 2015 11:29:12 GMT -5
I never attempt, but I remember a pic which explain it, and the guy had just un drill and files.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jun 28, 2015 13:49:33 GMT -5
In response to PARA 1944. There is no full scale gear box of any configuration that will fit inside the size restrictions of a carbine stock. and the cheap springer would provide much of the parts you might need however you will need to greatly expand the stock neck area to get everything to fit. If you notice in Grifters nicely done replica it is quite exaggerated in size through the DENIX stock area. (cleverly done but no doubt, not without great effort). Even the tiny AEP gearboxes are too big for a carbine and of course provide weak power (around 230 to 250 FPS)
We are hopeful that some manufacturer other than the rather pathetic WELl D96 carbine will be produced but the size restrictions are very severe!
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Post by droopaille on Jun 29, 2015 10:56:37 GMT -5
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Post by grifter on Jul 1, 2015 8:35:47 GMT -5
The problem will be supply by the magazine, There isn't enough place ton insert it.
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Post by volkssturm on Jul 1, 2015 14:35:17 GMT -5
Somewhere in the distant past here there's a link to a Japanese guy who modified a Ver 2 (?)(AK) mechbox by moving the motor to the rear and then placing the mechbox in the forward part of the stock. It was quite clever but looked like it took serious skill to accomplish. The text was all in Japanese.
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Post by droopaille on Jul 1, 2015 15:16:56 GMT -5
the link is dead for years ago.
If anybody have the pics and share it.
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