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Post by airsoftblitzkrieg on Feb 9, 2007 15:48:05 GMT -5
hello everyone, I'm not too new on here. but i haven't really started WWII airsoft yet either. Ive actually been trying to decide on whether to do it or not, what side to choose, weapons and so on.
Ive decided to try axis. what area of axis, i would have to say German infantry, or some form of mobilized SS. I will most likely start out with a TM VSR-10 as a Kar-98. But weapons aren't my concern, its the uniforms and gear. Ive done a little looking up of prices for a set of the German Grey infantry uniforms and have been blown away at the prices of them. I did not think that the prices would on average exceed $150 which is one of the lowest prices Ive seen.
Does anyone have some suggestion of how to steer away from those huge prices and still have the feel? I'm not in any rush, but i am wondering if it is normal to pay just as much for your uniform as your gun...
If there aren't any better deals, could someone maybe post a list of some sort of the normal gear of infantry/ mobilized SS
Tahnks,
Blitz
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Post by CharleyNovember on Feb 9, 2007 16:11:09 GMT -5
Want cheaper? Go US Infantry buy a set of 75.00 HBT's Use your VSR as a 1903...cheaper route then Axis.
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Post by airsoftblitzkrieg on Feb 9, 2007 17:02:03 GMT -5
ya...i figured US was less expensive...i'll look into that as well...
could you put some links to some US equipment as well please
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Post by spitfire740 on Feb 9, 2007 17:03:25 GMT -5
If you do decide to go US, might I suggest the 45th ID? We are always open to new members!
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Post by airsoftblitzkrieg on Feb 9, 2007 17:05:25 GMT -5
I'll consider it if i decide to go that way. and if i do go that way, i bet I'll get a Thompson instead of the VSR-10
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Post by CharleyNovember on Feb 9, 2007 17:35:00 GMT -5
look here for his closeouts... www.atthefront.com/closeout.htmAlso look around the rest of the site. I'd start with the HBT set and the Nor. pistol belt. Or three here: www.sportsmansguide.com/cb/cb.asp?a=194093Grab a helmet even post war or dutch from www.sportsmansguide.com. They seem to be out of helmets but almost any Army Navy store will have some for a reasonable price. Or a jeep cap here: www.sportsmansguide.com/cb/cb.asp?a=308902Grab some late war suspenders or early war if you can find them and afford them. Ebay is your friend. You can get leggings or go without. Get some rough out boots at 100.00 or so a pop www.sportsmansguide.com/cb/cb.asp?a=259556or some newer modern boots and work them over to a nice russet brown color. Canteen, and some mag pouches for your choosen weapon. Then get a gun. Thompson is nice but expensive, The new TSD M-14's from china might be acceptable and it is budget priced and works pretty well. You can convert it over to a Garand with 2ndBats kit latter on. That will get you started. However WW2AA supports 100% impression accuracy and you will need/want to change some of the more inaccurate items at a latter date. An actual WW2 helmet, the boots, so on. This will get you started on the US side pretty cheap though and you won't look bad but you won't be ready for the sticth Nazi thread either. |
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Post by Jager.Drü on Feb 9, 2007 17:38:36 GMT -5
German Kits are expensive, Do whatever branch you like, Heer wore feldgrau uniforms, throw in some camo for SS. Where are you located? Chicago area? there is the 9th SS or the 2nd FJs, if you hook up with a team they can point you in the right direction for uniform, web, footwear needs. Also try PMing Capt Zak, he is the WW2AA vendor, he can set you up.
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Post by airsoftblitzkrieg on Feb 9, 2007 17:45:14 GMT -5
I'm in central IL, Bloomington.
as i said, I'm not in an rush because i don't have a job *cough cough*
lol, just links and info about the necessities are really needed so i can compare prices between both sides and see if it is worth the difference to go one way over the other.
and thanks for your help so far
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Post by airsoftblitzkrieg on Feb 9, 2007 17:46:50 GMT -5
as for belts and canteens, ive already got a belt and canteen. i also have the inner layering of a US helmet
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Post by Jager.Drü on Feb 9, 2007 17:50:44 GMT -5
well you will need a
Tunic, M40, M42 etc in feldgrau
Trousers M42 in feldgrau
EM belt, black leather
Buckle, Heer or SS
Combat Y-straps, with the D-Rings
Breadbag, Green or Tan
M43 Cap in feldgrau
Boots, E.German jacks, modern black boots with gaters
If going SS you might want a smock.
PM Capt Zak he will hook you up, just copy and paste the list.
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Post by airsoftblitzkrieg on Feb 9, 2007 17:54:26 GMT -5
k, thanks. i think i am going to stick with my Axis preference, I'll just save up for a little longer. if it makes me happier, wouldn't it be worth it? thanks for the links and lists guys. when i get it all I'll make sure to get some pics on here for ya, and maybe go to a game  |
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Post by mauser98k on Feb 9, 2007 21:42:43 GMT -5
Basic Heer kit:
-M36 or M40 uniform set W/ basic Heer insignia (Shoulder boards, collar tabs, breast eagle). Both used throughout the war. (m42 and m43 for late war, m44 is useless.)
Splinter Camouflage smock
-M36, M40, or M42 wool greatcoat for winter.
-M36/m35 or m40 helmet. Both used throughout the war. (m42 for later as well)
Splinter camouflage helmet cover.
-M34,m41, or m43 field caps. (M43 and m34 seemed more prevalent in photographs during ww2)
-Nov. 39 Marching boots (AKA Jackboots), or german ankle boots w/ gemaschen.(leggings)
-Field gear set:
Black EM leather belt W/ Heer buckle. (painted or silver). Both were used throughout the war. DAK tan web belt for late war.
M31 canteen W/ bakelite or metal conical type cup.
M31 mess tin painted Field Gray W/ Utensils.
Tan Breadbag with sewn on leather tabs and metal dish buttons.
Black leather Y-straps. Was used throughout the war. DAK tan web for late war.
Gas mask canister W/ gas cape bag and gas mask. M38 or the Earlier small model is fine.
Set of black leather K98 pouches.
Flat E-tool with black leather cover, or folding E-tool (klappspaten) W/ cover. (Flat E-tool was used throughout the war)
Kar98K Bayonet W/ scabbard and black leathe frog for attaching to belt. (More populaly attached to E-tool cover.
splinter camouflage Zeltbahn W/ two mess kit straps for attaching to belt.
Tent Peg set and splinter or field grey cover.
Optional* web/leather Assault Frame pack (A-frame) for attaching equipment easier.
OPTIONAL* Pony fur tornister pack for storing personal items and equipment.
OPTIONAL* Tan rucksack for storing items, personal, and standard issue.
-Personal Items:
Heer soldbuch
wool gloves
Wool socks
Wool head toque
Wool Heer blanket
Heer earmuffs
I created and posted that on the 9th ID forum. There's a nice list.
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Post by Jager.Drü on Feb 9, 2007 22:43:26 GMT -5
Basic Heer kit: -M36 or M40 uniform set W/ basic Heer insignia (Shoulder boards, collar tabs, breast eagle). Both used throughout the war. (m42 and m43 for late war, m44 is useless.)
Splinter Camouflage smock-M36, M40, or M42 wool greatcoat for winter. -M36/m35 or m40 helmet. Both used throughout the war. (m42 for later as well) Splinter camouflage helmet cover. -M34,m41, or m43 field caps. (M43 and m34 seemed more prevalent in photographs during ww2) -Nov. 39 Marching boots (AKA Jackboots), or german ankle boots w/ gemaschen.(leggings) -Field gear set: Black EM leather belt W/ Heer buckle. (painted or silver). Both were used throughout the war. DAK tan web belt for late war. M31 canteen W/ bakelite or metal conical type cup. M31 mess tin painted Field Gray W/ Utensils. Tan Breadbag with sewn on leather tabs and metal dish buttons. Black leather Y-straps. Was used throughout the war. DAK tan web for late war. Gas mask canister W/ gas cape bag and gas mask. M38 or the Earlier small model is fine. Set of black leather K98 pouches. Flat E-tool with black leather cover, or folding E-tool (klappspaten) W/ cover. (Flat E-tool was used throughout the war) Kar98K Bayonet W/ scabbard and black leathe frog for attaching to belt. (More populaly attached to E-tool cover. splinter camouflage Zeltbahn W/ two mess kit tornister straps for attaching to belt. Tent Peg set and splinter or field grey cover. Optional* web/leather Assault Frame pack (A-frame) for attaching equipment easier. OPTIONAL* Pony fur tornister pack for storing personal items and equipment. OPTIONAL* Tan rucksack for storing items, personal, and standard issue. -Personal Items: Heer soldbuch wool gloves Wool socks Wool head toque Wool Heer blanket Heer earmuffs Don't get the smock, stick to feldgrau for Heer. If you need camo wear a zelt under your gear like so www.dererstezug.com/UsingTheZeltbahn.htm Fixed another thing. |
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Post by jaeger on Feb 10, 2007 0:05:17 GMT -5
If you want to stay on the cheaper side or are just starting out, a good basic uniform for Waffen SS impression could consist of a dot44 camo tunic and trouser set. You would also need a belt/buckle and a pair of gaiters (assuming you have some form of low boots. With time, you can work around this basic setup and get field gear, helmet, etc. An M43 cap is good too.
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Post by mauser98k on Feb 10, 2007 0:13:38 GMT -5
That limits you to such a small time-frame though, getting a field grey uniform set would be much more wise.
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Post by airsoftblitzkrieg on Feb 10, 2007 11:21:18 GMT -5
That limits you to such a small time-frame though, getting a field grey uniform set would be much more wise. i do personally prefer the grey all around uniform. And i do believe I will do Waffen-SS. And i don't think to start off I'll get the camo, I'm gona try to stick with grey. What color would the helmets be for Waffen-SS, i think black, right? |
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Post by Jager.Drü on Feb 10, 2007 14:03:40 GMT -5
grey for Helmets
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Post by airsoftblitzkrieg on Feb 10, 2007 14:06:35 GMT -5
k thanks
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Post by jaeger on Feb 10, 2007 14:10:18 GMT -5
During what years was the Oak A camo used? I know that the dot44 was late war.
Nick
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Post by Ungar on Feb 10, 2007 15:25:09 GMT -5
Oddly according to my sources Oak A was introduced(1942) after Oak B(late 30's).
Daniel Peterson, in Waffen SS Camouflage Uniforms & Post-War Derivatives, states that he authenticated early type smocks that used Oak B( SS-Beringt-Eichenlaubsmuster) and have not seen any of the same pattern smocks in OakA (ss-eichenlaubmuster).
But I think the earliest camo was the Plan-Tree pattern (SS-Platanenmuster) exemples were seen in photographs predating the war.
THe most "enduring" camo was the blurred edge (ss-rauchtarnmuster) which was used during the whole war.
Hope that could help.
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Post by jaeger on Feb 10, 2007 15:57:57 GMT -5
According to this site: www.kamouflage.net/camouflage/en_00005.phpOak A was used upon a trial basis in 1942, issued in 1943, and used pretty much until the end of the war in 1945. It also had info on the Erbsenmuster or dot44 camo. I guess it was trialed in 1943, released in 1944 (obviously) and used until the end of the war as well. I just was never sure on this. My 9th SS kit is basically a m40 tunic and dot44 camo pants, but I have been trying to figure out if Oak A camo pants would work. To add to this, does anyone know if both Oak A camo pants and a tunic would work (similar to the dot44 set)? I mean as a mid-war impression. |
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Post by Ungar on Feb 10, 2007 22:07:55 GMT -5
Yes!
There were oak pattern drillichanzugs in 1943 before the Erbsenmuster was introduced.
It was the same M43 cut.
Also M1929 camo was used to make tunics/trousers which was quite popular and was the only (to my knowledge) camo used by all 3 branches of the wehrmacht
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Post by mikkel on Feb 11, 2007 18:24:38 GMT -5
Pictures o fthe specefic unit you portray are the key to finding out what is ok and what is not. Stuff that only appear in a single picture, is normally stuff to avoid |
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