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Post by Russianboy on May 9, 2007 16:44:34 GMT -5
Hey guys,
Tell me do you think A Shoei PFC MP44 could take real blanks and not blow up or melt in 30 rounds?
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Post by Jager.Drü on May 9, 2007 16:45:54 GMT -5
No, it is not made for real blanks hence the PFC.
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Post by Russianboy on May 9, 2007 17:10:43 GMT -5
Can you elaborate? I know that its just like the real one in every part, but will the aluminum used stand a blank round being fired threw it? If not I could get a parts kit and use the receiver from the Shoei as the base and use real steal parts for every thing else... I'm not too sure how legal this is but if there could be a way to keep it from fireing real rounds then maybe I should try it... An idea that comes to mind is makeing it where a round (with head and all, a real bullet) can not be chambered. This could be done by welding extra metal into the barral that would jam the round and prevent it from fireing... If it could be done it would not qualify as a real fire arm. It would be 100% legal.
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Post by Ungar on May 9, 2007 18:09:02 GMT -5
PFC charges and blanks are diffirenet dimensions, I believe. And please, before you ruin a gun or blow yourself up, go see a licenced gunsmith  |
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Post by YankeeDiv26 on May 9, 2007 18:31:35 GMT -5
russianboys idea seems like one of the simpler ways to Blank-only adapt it but if the ATF thinks that if you can fit a round with a chortened cartridge into the chamber then it might not pass. PFC guns dont typically have the tolerances that real steal using blanks so you'd probably have to make several modifications to make it up to par. I'd strongly suggest leaving the work to a professional and make sure what your doing is legal. If its not and the ATF comes knocking at the door you'll have plenty of time to redo your design in prison. If it were me I wouldnt even try converting it because I like my money, fingers, and freedom too much. But hey, if you want it go for it.
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Post by Jager.Drü on May 9, 2007 22:39:51 GMT -5
One, they use a different round than a blank. 2nd, the metal would blow up and send shards into your face. The mags wouldn't load the rounds either. The PFC is a tottaly different round, its more like a cap.
If you want a blank fireing MP44 be prepared to spend big bucks for even a semi-auto.
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Post by mikkel on May 10, 2007 6:47:04 GMT -5
The fireing pin on a PFC gun is located in the barrel/chamber. How on earth would you fit a real round into that? The matal is also too soft to sustain prolonged blank fireing, especially the trigger assembly will wear down quickly. Ask www.ssd-weapon.com/produkte/bd44/bd44.htm is they would like to do a blank fireing version of their MP44. |
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Post by Russianboy on May 13, 2007 1:26:48 GMT -5
One, they use a different round than a blank. 2nd, the metal would blow up and send shards into your face. The mags wouldn't load the rounds either. The PFC is a tottaly different round, its more like a cap. Well an idea is an idea. I just saw the shells for the MP44 and they were the same size... I guess I'll get a blank fireing MP40 for my full auto joy. Oh and thanks for posting that link. I will have to ask my local gun shop about importing that one day. |
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Post by Jager.Drü on May 13, 2007 2:13:29 GMT -5
Too bad you need a Class 3 weapons premit, to buy a full auto gun. I'm pretty sure you won't get one.
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Post by Russianboy on May 13, 2007 11:09:20 GMT -5
Too bad you need a Class 3 weapons premit, to buy a full auto gun. I'm pretty sure you won't get one. Not a blank one dude. ssroom.com/products/mp40.htmlI'm told there awsome guns. They also have the PPSH41 and the MP41R (same as the PPSH41 but uses 9mm rounds and MP40 stick mags). When I turn 21 I may aply for a class III licence. There not that hard to get here in GA. |
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Post by Jager.Drü on May 13, 2007 14:51:10 GMT -5
www.defencetalk.com/forums/ext.php?ref=http://www.recguns.com/Sources/IIF1.html"A machine gun is any gun that can fire more than one shot with a single pull of the trigger" "On a folding stock weapon you measure with the stock extended, provided the stock is not readily detachable, and the weapon is meant to be fired from the shoulder" "It is illegal for anyone to have possession of an NFA weapon that is not registered to them in the NFA Registry." "A violation of the NFA can result in a felony conviction, punishable by up to ten years in prison, and/or a $250,000 fine" "An AOW is: "...any weapon or device capable of being concealed on the person from which a shot can be discharged through the energy of an explosive." It never made the difference between a blank and RS gun. So you will have to be 21, apply for the Class 3, get it,and pay 200 on top on the MP40/MP44.
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Post by CharleyNovember on May 13, 2007 17:25:19 GMT -5
Or his dad could buy it and be present when he uses it?
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Post by Jager.Drü on May 13, 2007 18:00:21 GMT -5
I guess I'll get a blank fireing MP40 for my full auto joy. Or his dad could buy it and be present when he uses it? True, but I'm think he is getting this for blank reenacting, from posts on the axis history fourm he was looking for a reenacting unit neer him, so he's gonna bring his dad to reenactments? Also he dosen't say his dad is going to get it. Then his dad will have to go through the whole process as well, then if he (RB) wants to own it himself, he'll have to go through the process as well again. Wouldn't it just be easier and more period correct to get a Kar98? |
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Post by Russianboy on May 13, 2007 19:12:01 GMT -5
I see that you did not read the website Drew. If you did, you would find out that this is not a "gun". Sense they fire the ammo backwords, any attempt to use real ammo would fail. Its ATF approved and is 100% legal. They only sell to people 18 and over, but I guess this is because of the fact it is a replica of a firearm.
I am geting a Kar98k, I'm geting one refurbished right now. I guess I want a Full auto of some type just for fun.
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Post by Jager.Drü on May 13, 2007 19:19:56 GMT -5
Lets see a MP40 could be concealed, and a blank makes a shot. Also a blank is a small explosive. I never said it wasn't legal, you will still need to go through the red tape to get one. |
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Post by Russianboy on May 13, 2007 21:22:37 GMT -5
Its a BFONG, not a AOW.
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Post by Jager.Drü on May 14, 2007 0:10:14 GMT -5
This is U.S. law, I would listen to that before some website. |
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Post by CharleyNovember on May 14, 2007 6:01:11 GMT -5
I'd stick with airsoft but then that is just me  Jager ~ His dad usually airsofts with him so I am jsut guessing his dad will do reenacting with him. At any rate you cannot change a PFC to a RS blank shooter which was the original question right guys |
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Post by Russianboy on May 14, 2007 6:36:58 GMT -5
This is U.S. law, I would listen to that before some website. If you were right then how are PFC guns legal? How are 8mm and 9mm toy blank firing guns legal? The point I'm trying to make is the law does not aply to this replica. I mean dude, it even has a orange tip. Its a toy... It is not a gun nor is it any type of weapon. |
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Post by Jager.Drü on May 14, 2007 9:06:33 GMT -5
I never said anything was illegal, I was saying you have to go through the right procces.
No PFC gun will not shoot RS blanks.
Be prepared to pay 3000 for a blank fireing MP40, I bought my car for less and it runs great.
Have fun doing your reenacting.
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Post by Gordak on May 14, 2007 9:09:51 GMT -5
the shoei 44 is made of zinc alloy, the reason they use zinc alloy, is so that it will explode if anything more powerful than pfc is used. One guy in england did get a shoei pfc gun to shoot blanks, never heard much more about it though. They were banning replica guns because of that reason exactly.
there is also super PFC, where you tripple the ammount of caps in the shells. This can look alot more realistic.
PFC is totally impractical for reenacting, after 10 or 15 rounds the gun needs cleaning badly, every shell you loose costs you big $$, and they are flying out of the gun at high velocity.
It would be a massive waste of time, just talking about it is a massive waste of time.
wait until SS room makes one, if you want a blank fire one, they will be very expensive, seeing as the mp44 parts kits have dried up. Easily years away from production.
Ive fired the ssroom mp40, and it does not look nearly as good as the top mp40, I wish they made a high grade version that cost an extra grand.
it is neat to have totally legal full auto though.
-Gordak
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Post by mikkel on May 14, 2007 10:36:55 GMT -5
The old MGC full metal MP40 is very popular to convert to blank firing, but it requires a lot of work and knowledge of the gun, to get it right. One thing to remember when wanting to have an MP40 for reenactment, is that most serious uits will not allow a regular grenadier to carry such a gun. So unless you advance really fast to NCO you will not be allowed to use the gun. For us in Europe, this company will hopefully soon begin to make blank fire versions of their guns: www.ssd-weapon.com/ |
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Post by Russianboy on May 14, 2007 15:23:10 GMT -5
wait until SS room makes one, if you want a blank fire one, they will be very expensive, seeing as the mp44 parts kits have dried up. Easily years away from production. Ive fired the ssroom mp40, and it does not look nearly as good as the top mp40, I wish they made a high grade version that cost an extra grand. The bakelite looks like applesauce if you ask me. If I do get one I may get a black one and do my own bakelite treatment. As for the MP44 parts kits, I saw one for $2,000. I'm sure a blank fire one would be around $6,000. I plan to have it just to have and when I get the correct rank I'll use it. Until then I can just fire it out on my buddys farm. |
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Post by Nimlas on May 14, 2007 16:05:29 GMT -5
wait until SS room makes one, if you want a blank fire one, they will be very expensive, seeing as the mp44 parts kits have dried up. Easily years away from production. Ive fired the ssroom mp40, and it does not look nearly as good as the top mp40, I wish they made a high grade version that cost an extra grand. The bakelite looks like applesauce if you ask me. If I do get one I may get a black one and do my own bakelite treatment. As for the MP44 parts kits, I saw one for $2,000. I'm sure a blank fire one would be around $6,000. I plan to have it just to have and when I get the correct rank I'll use it. Until then I can just fire it out on my buddys farm. The SSroom gun doesn't even have bakelite panels. They're cast black resin. Mega cheesy. |
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Post by Jager.Drü on May 14, 2007 16:50:29 GMT -5
A blank fire MP44 is gonna cost more than $6000 think in the 10s.
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Post by Russianboy on May 14, 2007 19:12:56 GMT -5
Nimlas,
They do paint them a cheap brown that looks nothing like bakelite. As I said they offer black so I can do my own treatment and it will look good.
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Post by Nimlas on May 14, 2007 20:34:52 GMT -5
Nimlas, They do paint them a cheap brown that looks nothing like bakelite. As I said they offer black so I can do my own treatment and it will look good. I guess I fondled one of the very early ones that did not have it, cause it was CHEEZY. |
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Post by 2ndranger on May 14, 2007 22:17:58 GMT -5
When I turn 21 I may aply for a class III licence. There not that hard to get here in GA. Scary thought...   ... Rottenfuhrer Franz |
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Post by Russianboy on May 14, 2007 22:18:48 GMT -5
Other then the crapy bakelite what else did you dislike?
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Post by Gordak on May 15, 2007 10:04:38 GMT -5
are you seriously buying an ssroom mp40? or is this just something you want?
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