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Post by wwiiguy on Jun 4, 2016 22:39:09 GMT -5
So I looked at a guys diy m1 carbine.I wanted to do one myself and heres my wildly expensive idea.Have all cosmetic parts be real steel and have the inner workings be a short m14 (i think its call socam or something) and go from there.My question is it get a gun that looks like a real m1 carbine what all do I need?
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Post by stuka on Jun 5, 2016 7:56:10 GMT -5
A LOT of work to make it work. You would basically be resizing everything I would imagine
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jun 5, 2016 10:49:03 GMT -5
Lots of discussions on that in an assortment of old threads here in the Forum. Lots and lots of dead end efforts as the inevitable discovery is that an M1 Carbine is really, really little and the Gearboxes from all known AEGs (even the smaller, less powerful AEPs) are too big to fit in the narrow stock neck and in addition getting a properly aligned effective feed system for magazines is extremely challenging. Lots of expense and lost hours by a number of talented builders who couldn't manage it but if you can pull it off we'll all be thrilled for you.
These things often seem easy theoretically only to become insurmountable in fact. Good luck with it should you decide to proceed but my advice is direct your energies and dollars elsewhere.
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Post by wwiiguy on Jun 5, 2016 17:39:05 GMT -5
So question is it cheaper to make all ICS m1 parts to real steel m1 parts so it looks better or make a m1 carbine
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Post by shiftysgarand on Jun 5, 2016 19:35:11 GMT -5
In dollars, an AEG M1 carbine. In blood, sweat, and headaches, an ICS Garand retrofitted. Better yet, get a G&G Garand which is almost as good externally as the Marushin GBB and bypass unnecessary custom work entirely.
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Post by wwiiguy on Jun 5, 2016 20:02:21 GMT -5
In dollars, an AEG M1 carbine. In blood, sweat, and headaches, an ICS Garand retrofitted. Better yet, get a G&G Garand which is almost as good externally as the Marushin GBB and bypass unnecessary custom work entirely. but i dont know where to get g&g spare magazines
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Post by droopaille on Jun 6, 2016 13:53:42 GMT -5
I will make it !! ... one day
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jun 6, 2016 15:13:22 GMT -5
A tremendous amount of work and expense but M14 internal components can be made to fit an actual M1 Garand stock (although creative slight resizing and some reinforcements are needed through the stock neck.) From there all M1 Garand hardware is useable. Lots of various clips can be modified for use and the end results are very impressive. Allow yourself about 150 hours in labor and budget half again MORE than the cost of a GnG M1 Garand. As mentioned a wiser choice is buy an ICS or GNG Garand. Like you I am still waiting for affordable spare magazines to become available for the GnG.
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Post by shiftysgarand on Jun 6, 2016 16:32:49 GMT -5
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Post by wwiiguy on Jun 7, 2016 8:13:01 GMT -5
with seeing how to modify ICS. mags to fit in webgear i have gone against the gng repro and with my past gng guns blowing up and or frying i decided to buy ICS because it takes work time off with the added mosfet and fuse
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Post by wwiiguy on Jun 7, 2016 13:36:30 GMT -5
dear shiftysgarand ,
The gng with 10 mags from taiwan cost more than an ics 10 mags from US and a replica m1 rifle for the stock gas tube aka: everything thats oversized i could replace with the replica parts.
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Post by shiftysgarand on Jun 7, 2016 18:03:56 GMT -5
That doesn't account for all the time and elbow grease spent on switching the parts though (I guarantee you they do not just slide on. A real M1 stock is practically impossible to mount to an ICS Garand and still be strong enough to use in a game.) It's your choice, though.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jun 9, 2016 22:28:44 GMT -5
Headslap followed by a sigh of disbelief. REALLY? Have you ever actually looked at a carbine stock and assorted gearboxes? Feed systems? Magazines? Yikes! I really should resist the sick urge I have to read some of these posts.
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Post by hennepin15 on Jun 10, 2016 8:33:30 GMT -5
Thank you, I now agree -bad idea. Thinking out loud was not wise. Looking at the carbine shape it's impossible. I've never worked on a v7 but I have experience with v2,v3 I'm going to start a prototype where a v3 can fit into the pistol grip of a replica m1a1 paratrooper variant
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Post by Dracul on Jun 10, 2016 8:45:03 GMT -5
If you are going that route, check around the DIY sections, there was someone who scratch built a M1 Para around a V3 gearbox. A lot of handiwork, as he made his own stock and such, but its the only way I see that could happen. The M1 Carbine stocks are just too small, and on the flip side, the M14 stocks are just too big for a M1 Carbine.
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Post by hennepin15 on Jun 10, 2016 8:46:31 GMT -5
Thank you, I deleted the old post to save the embarrassment for myself as well as preventing bad ideas from spreading to people embarking on this quest. I will start a thread. I have an AK pistol grip I can modify to replicate the m1. Stock will be built from scratch. Cheers
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Post by volkssturm on Jun 10, 2016 10:12:15 GMT -5
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Post by wwiiguy on Jun 10, 2016 12:09:01 GMT -5
volksstrum (sorry most likely misspelled) i think brownien tried and had problems with airflow and feeding
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Post by wwiiguy on Jun 10, 2016 12:20:29 GMT -5
Ok to everyone who replied on this thank you for lettimg me know how mich of a goof this would be.So now does anyone know of a way to make the pot metal carbines worl without the high risk of breaking without spending a ton of money on getting custom made steel parts
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jun 10, 2016 20:28:37 GMT -5
I know Brownian wasnt able to make the Scorpion work in a m1A1 para carbine and I never fully understood what the hangup was as it seemed on the face of it quite doable. Having said that Brownian is a very clever,determined and capable DIY guy so his frustrations and failure seemed like a good bouy warning me of a rocky shoreline.
As you can tell from all the posts, a carbine AEG is a very desirable project we'd all like to see successfully tackled so we ALL understand the desire.
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Post by volkssturm on Jun 11, 2016 20:58:43 GMT -5
I looked up some old threads. It seems like the consensus was that the Scorpion was too low powered, even with upgrades. Brownien tried the MP7 box, but had to make a dogleg nozzle that caused problems.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jun 11, 2016 21:43:38 GMT -5
Yes I remember him posting that he couldn't align the nozzle and feed system with the barrel. Things that seem pretty straight forward and easy with airsoft customs usually aren't. Hundreds of deadend projects on this Forum alone. I know I've had my share and there are several started but never finished projects that in my head seemed easy peasy.
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Post by wwiiguy on Jun 11, 2016 22:25:14 GMT -5
Does anyone know a way to reinforce the bolt ( i think thats the main breaking point) for under $100?
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