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Post by wwiiguy on Sept 5, 2016 20:19:51 GMT -5
So today while looking at airsoft bolt actions and I got curious about flintlocks.First off has anyone ever made a correct flintlock?It would be super fun to do the firing lines and the guerrilla warfare from the American Revolution.I have an idea but im almost positive it might not work.So here is.A normal bar 10 and you have a hole in the front of the cylinder under the nozzle you would jam the loading rod through this pushing the piston down cocking the gun.Now for the bb situation.The best thing I can come up with is an upside down hopup and you either pull out 1 bb at a time or use a speed loader.This is just an idea i had because I always have loved the Revolutionary War and Civil War Re-enactments but never liked how scripted they had to be.I would love to have Revolutionary War airsoft because of how unpredictable the wars can turn out.
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Post by wwiiguy on Sept 5, 2016 20:24:39 GMT -5
Oh by the by the things I notice wrong with this is air seal and how you would need a light spring or a extremely strong loading rod.
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Post by hardslack on Sept 6, 2016 8:27:01 GMT -5
You would be smashing all your important parts every time you load. A better system might be to use a spring revolvers hammer action, without the cylinder magazine. Drop the bb down the barrel, tap it home with the rod, then pull back the hammer aim and fire.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Sept 6, 2016 14:25:15 GMT -5
There are in fact a few produced airsoft replicas of muskets and flintlocks although the cocking methods are not activated by a ram rod. None have decent performance which is a pitty. I would think an 8mm with say 350 FPS could lend itself nicely to reenactment use although incorporating Talc discharge seem like an essential element that would be needed! It's doubtful one could ever get the large participant numbers needed to represent Napoleonic or revolutionary War type engagements but French and Indian War actions might be quite viable. Foam tomahawks,hatchets,swords and rubber bayonets being very critical to play! Yikes!
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Post by wwiiguy on Sept 6, 2016 15:51:22 GMT -5
I agree with the and maybe have a sparkler beside the flint to have the spark of the flint to look good but i dont know if thats consider pyrotechnics.I think it could be easy to make loaner gear. A decent looking "costume" is about $150 for a decent size.The only big problem i would see with loaner stuff is the gun.I see it being extremely expensive to make a gun.It would add to be a little under 200.Maybe im wrong but 100 for a replica flintlock 50 for a spring revolver a few dollars for some scrap metal 20 for epoxy and some extra for the immersion stuff.so i count to around 180.However In my personal belief i like the restricted range because the weapons we would use had very short ranges compared to modern guns.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Sept 6, 2016 18:36:33 GMT -5
A musket shot with reasonable (man target) accuracy out to about 60 yards not unlike most airsoft guns. Volley fire was the way most armies of the time managed it and rows of troops in series facilitated (in theory) the slow rate of fire. If an Airsoft gun could require perhaps 20 seconds between shots that would approxinate things quite nicely. Percussion caps discharged with the hammer would be a logical flash, bang substitute and create some immersive effects.
This could actually be quite cool. I seem to remember that shoot n Scoot in the UK offered flintlocks muskets?
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Post by wwiiguy on Sept 6, 2016 20:40:13 GMT -5
Yes shoot and scoot has them but they are $500 and they only offer 2 variants that are not to my taste
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Post by insterburger on Sept 6, 2016 21:10:43 GMT -5
As 2nd Bat points out, close combat would be an essential part of this. Really in the Rev War musket volleys largely served the purpose of setting up the troops for a successful bayonet charge and hand to hand engagement, where the battles were ground out man to man. So any Rev War game would also have to include viable bayonets, swords, tomahawks, etc., and rules governing their use. It would pretty much marry airsoft to medieval-style LARP combat... which might draw participants from both worlds.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Sept 6, 2016 22:32:29 GMT -5
The shoot n Scoot Brown Bess marrys a KWA shotgun with a Denix replica (at least that is my guess). They also offer a DIY kit that might kind of fun. Tying the hammer in with an actual primer cap would be very neat. Their offering appears to cock by virtue of a ramrod. Pneumatic air guns actually existed at the time but were limited to the very wealthy. They were decidedly more powerful, accurate and had a quicker rate of fire than muskets but were extremely expensive to build. They are extremely rare but are amongst the most expensive, and collectible fire arms.
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Post by droopaille on Sept 7, 2016 11:19:24 GMT -5
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Post by volkssturm on Sept 9, 2016 0:52:01 GMT -5
Here's a French Canadian who built an airsoft Model 1777 Charleville musket. Appropriate for the French and Indian War or American Revolution. Unfortunately the website is in French. Based on a VSR 10. airsoftupgrade.free.fr/1777_2.htm
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Post by volkssturm on Sept 9, 2016 1:02:59 GMT -5
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Post by 2nd Bat on Sept 9, 2016 12:05:17 GMT -5
Wow! Cool looking, out of stock, 225 fps with .20 gram and $500.00+, Kind of a dream crusher on several levels.
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Post by volkssturm on Sept 9, 2016 16:22:39 GMT -5
Yep. Not their best effort by a long shot.
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Post by insterburger on Sept 9, 2016 16:34:48 GMT -5
And add to the mix that it's a carbine, which further limits its suitability.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Sept 9, 2016 16:39:54 GMT -5
Using one of the more powerful pump action spring airsoft guns as the base and then positioning the base inside a musket looking shell and then having the ram rod perform the cocking should produce a pretty powerful shot and with a long barrel and hop up pretty decent range I would think. The hammer and flintlock mechanism could activate simultaneous to the trigger and set off a stack of stick on caps or a percussion cap.
The ram rod wouldn't actually go down the barrel but rather a tube down below but the movement and action would be similar. Perhaps a small portion of Talc could be funneled into the barrel to simulate powder smoke. I tried this in a spring rifle and it worked without impeding the BB noticeably although I suspect even slight moisture from humidity might louse things up.
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Post by droopaille on Sept 12, 2016 13:07:30 GMT -5
Your first link is the same with mine volkssturm (I don't found it), this not a canadian, he is from Normandy in France The base is a BAR10 and the bolt is armed with the rope at the rear (attached to the rear of the piston).
The redwolf flinkstock is really pretty and reallistic but don't have long shoot. I have one flinkstock pistol, and for the close quarter it is very fine.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Sept 13, 2016 12:35:17 GMT -5
Rope to pull back and cock. Hmmmmmm? Interesting approach. The Talc dropped down the barrel was something I fiddled with even more yesterday. A tiny amount of Talc poured down the muzzle created the desired effect but with the initial shot noticeably impeded for range and accuracy. (I used a cheap springer shotgun for the experiment.). The Talc continued to provide a plume of "smoke" for about two more shots with little impact on the flight of the BB. Obviously after a day of shooting the barrel has to be thoroughly cleaned. Individually it produces a fairly modest effect but with a skirmish line it would actually be pretty cool. Especially if combined with a simulated Flint powder discharge from caps.
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