MAS 36

[droopaille]

What I'm working about ?

www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOGSMicqe2U

[volkssturm]

Très bon! Based on the L96?

[adrg]

Very nice - from here it looks based on a SR-2. But as far as I am seeing this will have the hop-up in front - will you use a transport system to move BBs in the front? Or the standard VSR hole for the stock? I am looking long at the AW338 magazine well as a system to keep the feeding in the right place.

[Dracul]

Good stuff! I've been wanting to see a MAS36 made for the longest time!

[droopaille]

Ok ok, I ve change the title, you are not funny with jokes, you always find the answers.

It based on Well MB06, the urban sniper, because piston and trigger box are 90° ones, hop up chamber is really simple and efficient, really cheap (around 60$), powerfull (around 450fps) ...

the job consist to have a one piece block and it is on good way.

Mar 7, 2017 9:32:20 GMT -5 Dracul said:

Good stuff! I've been wanting to see a MAS36 made for the longest time!

There are some MAs converted in France, like this ones :
www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=192696IMG1311.jpg
or imagizer.imageshack.us/a/img922/2328/41KELN.jpg

[tact2jager]

Very nice print!

[rullow]

Hi Droopaille,very nice print and model...... wont you post for a download when ready? (I know its way too much to be asked)
If you d like to I could share with you 3d models of OF37 and DF 37 + I am making steel replicas of trigger guard for MAS36

I ve already done few MAS36 either manual either CO2 driven - but in both cases using SVD hop up chamber....
but those below I did excluxively from iron... but its too much time consuming and I d prefer something easier to make - and 3d print seems like the way to go.....this one would be surely nice also for my upcoming project of MAS36CR

[droopaille]

great job but we can't see pics in big size.
Could you repost them larger ?

I looked about the svd chamber, it looks good but I think MB06 is better. I've finish the wood work.
I ve just received a real rear sight but I constat that I ve a big pb with some dimensions. A friend sent me a scan of a real block, and I ve a lot of work for ajusting sizes.

Now the question is how to make the magazine connection with the hop up chamber ?

[rullow]

Hi, if you need any dimensions PM a picture of what you need and I ll measure it for you... I ve got one live MAS36 I use a basis....

I ll try to find the pictures in bigger size - but I have them probably on the other PC... this is what I ve downloaded back from messenger....

SVD chamber works well.... et least in the CO2 version..... I am using MB,02,03,07 mags and BB release/mag slot is built into the body - so I have direct contact between mag and chamber...

with your conversion from the sniper springer - I d use parts of its body to help keep everything inline - and to hold the mag..... but thats just my proposal

CO2 verion lasts for cca 40 shots with muzzle velocity dropping from 170 to 150 m/s - when CO is empty you simply unscrew the bottom cap of the bolt, take the CO2 set out and replace the CO2 - 60secs max I d say...

The first one I made uses its own thinner cylinder and thus its only a springer and due to the low quality of the inner side of the cylinder (well I am not the best machinist ever) I struggle to overcome 100m/s with reasonable force used for cocking. Maybe shorter barrel could help me..... who knows...


However both MAS do copy the original trigger mechanism made of steel and the whole set fits the original wood just with minor adjustments....

anyway - i am big fan of you effort - especially with my other 4 MAS waiting to be finished

[rullow]

Hi attached the photos in higher resolution....

































thats wher I d love to use it



and that how the trigger guards are made...




and thats the first one with specific cylinder diameter...

[adrg]

Beautiful! Both wood work and metal work.

I have just one questios - is that a SVD cylinder? Asking because this will probably have a hard pull and will put a lot of pressure on trigger box (for springer version obviously,)
Using an MB06 system would be easier because of the longer cylinder, but might still require a metal trigger box. Airsoft Pro ones are the cheaper I found but will still cost arround 60£.

[rullow]

the one with CO2 set has a stainless SVD cylinder + welded on backpart.... with CO2 its easy as f*** but on manual mode you have to pull hard - same as on the SVD.... trigger assembly has no problem at all since its all made from steel and copied directly from the original one. I used this to keep all internals within the metal receiver - so I could use the original wood without any change.
coversion from MB06 seems fine for a springer mode, but you basicaly destroy the wooden furniture... and I dont like to destroy the originals....

[droopaille]

Really good job !!


I'm not working fast but I'm still optimize my trigger box.

First, the original parts.




Then




And now




Rear position of the trigger

[volkssturm]

Very much simplified from the original. It will be interesting to hear how it works.

[rullow]

great work, I am impatient to see more of your progress

[adrg]

I really like the new trigger box. I couldn't but notice that the trigger doesn't look at all like the original one.
I am wondering how is holding over a strong spring.

Otherwise I am thinking this would be great as an option for my planed adaptation of a Mancraft SDIK to Tanaka/KJW M700 system (yes - this means enlargement of systen from 18mm to 22 mm diameter).
Bottom line - looking how cheap is the wood stock for a MAS 36 combined with how nice it looks - I am really tempted to do one for my collection.
Looking forward for more!

[droopaille]

thank you

this is just a prototype, the definive one will be the same as the real one

[rullow]

well as I see it - to make a steel trigger will be the last problem - estimated cost of one laser cut is cca 50cents?
but the whole 3d printed package of body is really promissing

[volkssturm]

When they perfect 3D printing with metals it's going to be world changing. The possibilities are enormous. It will be almost like the "Star Trek" replicator.

[droopaille]

Not a problem for metal trigger, it takes just time.
You can see my work about a bar10 90° trigger box, really simplified too.

droopaille.forumgratuit.org/t72-bar10-trigger-box-90


Metal printer aren't so expansive, first price about 5000-6000€, it is very cheap for an industry, may be I will buy one for work ...

[rullow]

I doubt any significant advantages of metal over plastic in 3d printed parts... maybe except for some different chemical differences...

standard PLA and ABS are good enough to be used on bodies.... and making the trigger groups and other strong parts from steel is not so difficult as it could seem.....
for me a solid plastic replica ir more than enough...

[Dracul]

There is a PLA out there that is strengthened considerably by putting finished piece into the oven for awhile (it will also resist higher tempuratures). Its by Proto-pasta. I'm going to be using it once I get my stuff going.

[adrg]

I can not but envy you for the working capabilities.
The idea of a trigger box is to have an easy trigger pool and hold of really hard tge piston.
What I really try to think of is a trigger box that will be small enough to match the ine for Tanaka/KJW M700 but use the same principle as the springer ones. This should help bringing HPA engines like Mancraft SDIK in the WW2 zone. Everything must rely on Regulated CO2 in the stock, no external tubes and the right space for magazine.
But - returning to the MAS- i love the printed receiver. If this is merged with an easy push/pool system it will definitelly work.
Not sure how better will be the metal 3D printer. This will not work with hard metal.

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Mar 15, 2017 9:03:08 GMT -5 rullow said:

こんにちはDroopaille、非常に素晴らしいプリントとモデル......あなたは準備ができたらダウンロード用にポストしませんか？私
はOF37とDF 37の3Dモデル + MAS36のトリガーガードの鋼製レプリカを作っています。私は

既にMAS36のいくつかを行っています。 - どちらの場合でもSVDホップアップチャンバーを使用しています
が、下のものは鉄から排除しましたが、時間がかかり過ぎて何か簡単にすることが好きです.3Dプリントは道に似ています。 ....これはMAS36CRの私の今後のプロジェクトにとっても確かに素晴らしいだろう