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Post by neoptolemus on Sept 5, 2007 12:48:19 GMT -5
I am choosing an impression based on a member of the 9 Fallschirmjager Division stationed at Seelow Heights in April of 1945.
I have already got an M38, blue bread bag and other kit, webbing, and low boots (which I understand were common substitutes in the late war).
However, I still need:
I) Fleiger Blouse
II) Jump Trousers
III) Type III Splinter B smock
Does anyone have any suggestions on where to get the above items? I am on a budget, but if I can't purchase something from Spearhead/Random Chinese manufacturer due to horrible inaccuracies, so be it (as I understand it the Chinese can't seem to produce an accurate Fleiger Blouse).
Where are all you FJ airsofters getting your gear from, and who have you had the best experience with?
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Post by CharleyNovember on Sept 5, 2007 13:08:18 GMT -5
As far as smocks I believe Spearheads is accurate, but I would wait on confirmation as I ahve not bought one from them. I ahve been waiting on the Chinese to get the FLiegerbluse right before I buy one or at least close as I am not spending 150.00 on something I don't generally wear down here in the heat of the south. I was very happy with the jump pants I got from Capt. Zak. He may still have some stuff for you and I would always consider supporting him first if you can.
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Post by Jager.Drü on Sept 5, 2007 15:55:02 GMT -5
I have a Spearhead smock and its great. Dont buy a Chinese Fliegerbluse they just dont look right. The Strum one is actually one of the best on the market, I just got mine. Go with the jump trousers from Spearhead too.
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Post by mikkel on Sept 5, 2007 18:18:04 GMT -5
The most accurate Jump smock is the Olive one offered by HKKeith. It's actually one of the best jump smocks on the market.
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Post by binarypunisher on Sept 5, 2007 19:12:31 GMT -5
Yeah, and thats really only accurate for early war and a little teeny bit late late war.
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Post by neoptolemus on Sept 5, 2007 23:30:07 GMT -5
As I understand it, green smocks were seen in France and Italy as worn by veterans as a signature of experience.
With the 9th Fallschirmjager Division, that would be very incorrect. I believe it was comprised of more non combat Luftwaffe personnel than hardened paratroopers, and even their NCO's weren't necessarily paratroopers. They were the first on the Heights to break rank, far from what Goering expected...
Also, I think the Type III smock would be more correct than the Type II for the period; however, in '45 all bets were off so I imagine anything could be correct.
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Post by binarypunisher on Sept 5, 2007 23:58:29 GMT -5
The 6th Fallschirms in Carentan were apparently the last fully jump-qualified FJ regiment - so they all got issued the same stuff.
I doubt green jump smocks would have survived well through multiple campaigns..can you imagine wearing the same stuff through Crete, Russia, possibly Italy, and finally France?
Apparently very late war when they finally shut down the jump schools they had to liquidate a bunch of their stocks, so some new green jump smocks popped up into the supply system and some guys were issued them.
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Post by Adler69 on Sept 6, 2007 3:41:12 GMT -5
Yeap, FJR6 was the last fully jump qualified unit . Goering wanted to have an entire FJ Army and by 1945 he did have it , on paper that is , but by then the FJ that where left from the glory days of the FJ where not enough , so they cut corners and just gave the equipment to troops without the proper training, they got the troops from all over , Luftwaffe ground personnel whose airbases had been destroyed by the Allies , Kriegsmarine personnel with no ships to sail in, you get the point, so the quality of the Fallschirmjager units was not as good as expected.
And yes you did see a few green jump smocks in the last days of the war , but that didn't mean that the FJ wearing it was a veteran from the early days, like Binary said , it was just because they just happened to be in the stock piles when it came time to issue the new troops with jump smocks, hell even some side laced boots turned up at the end of the war.Also , Tan+Water jump smocks where comon at the end of the war.
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Post by jaeger on Sept 6, 2007 9:31:57 GMT -5
As a side note, I have also ordered from Spearhead before and it is reliable. It just takes a bit of time to get here though. Plus his packaging isn't always the best  . None the less, his prices more than make up for it though. Nick |
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Post by heinz on Sept 6, 2007 17:58:05 GMT -5
By '45 - when most FJ were FJ only in name, not true paratroopers - the situation was so damned desperate they used whatever they could get their hands on. It wasn't at all uncommon to find so-called FJ using Lufty Field Smocks and conventional helmets (M35/M40/M42) by that stage in the
war.
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Post by binarypunisher on Sept 6, 2007 22:07:22 GMT -5
As well as jackboots.
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Post by sniper98 on Oct 23, 2007 18:33:26 GMT -5
Go to At the front. That is wear I got most of my FJ gear from. I would also go for the FJ splinter,B smock. It is what the FJ had in band of brothers.
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Post by binarypunisher on Oct 23, 2007 21:38:21 GMT -5
Go to At the front. That is wear I got most of my FJ gear from. I would also go for the FJ splinter,B smock. It is what the FJ had in band of brothers. No it isnt. Look at the pics of ATF's splinter B and then watch BoB and you will see they are nothing alike! ATF generally has good stuff...but for the most part they are just a Sturm dealer for German stuff. Their Fliegebluse and jump pants are both Sturm, and are both excellent. The Spearhead wool is much lighter than the sturm stuff...so for trousers that might be better for some people. |
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Post by Jager.Drü on Oct 23, 2007 21:38:26 GMT -5
But ATF Splinter B stinks.
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Post by CharleyNovember on Oct 23, 2007 22:13:51 GMT -5
Where did you get your splinter b from Dru? I'm also thinking a nice Tan and water is in the future but unsure if I should go the HK way? On the other hand I feel 300+ is too much to ask for somethign to play airsoft in?  |
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Post by binarypunisher on Oct 23, 2007 22:52:39 GMT -5
He got his from Spearhead Militaria on eBay (Barry Lyndon). Their splinter B is good.
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Post by Jager.Drü on Oct 24, 2007 0:14:56 GMT -5
And the New Strum Tan and Water smocks are good with a little tan dye.
Yeah a BL splinter B is good. The smock it self is made well up the snaps stink on them. My leg ones won't stay snaped.
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Post by Capt. Zak on Oct 24, 2007 5:25:42 GMT -5
Sturm's Fleigerbluse & "tan & water" smocks are great. I can get them for you as well as the sturm jump pants and anything else Sturm carries. German & US as well. These are the same items ATF carries.
Now concider this, an FJ in late 44 would more than likely have the ground combat smock. By then most FJ's were concidered to be Luftwaffe Field Division units. A lot were transferred into the Hermann Goring Div. as well.
Yes there were still Fallschirmjager units till the end of the war but nobody was jumping. They were essentially infantry units and for the most part (late in the war) their gear reflected that.
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Post by binarypunisher on Oct 24, 2007 9:53:08 GMT -5
I will back up what Capt. Zak says - the new sturm tan and water is good, as is their fliegerbluse and jump trousers. Their splinter stuff (for Luftwaffe) sucks though - dont buy it. That includes the splinter jump smock and ground smock. I think the ground combat smock issue is real debatable...they were definately used in great numbers - but I am not sure it is "more than likely". One of the impressions I want to make is a "late-war" FJ: green jump smock, late-war bandolier (see below), low boots. Now here something cool, I just got a Don Calder late-war FJ bandolier. It shows quite well the strains the German industrial complex was put under towards the end.  |
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. None the less, his prices more than make up for it though.
