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Post by Capt. Zak on Jan 8, 2008 13:03:12 GMT -5
You guys should have seen the "Tan Water" zelts that were coming out of Hong Kong about 2 years ago. Yes..."Tan & Water" zelts. LOL They have since come to their senses and stopped making them. They are still pumping out Dot 44 helmet covers and M43 caps though.  |
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Post by gadge on Jan 8, 2008 18:21:22 GMT -5
Got to love 'creative history' a lfew of our guys went for dot 44 helmet covers, personally i think bread bag straps or inner tube looks loads better.
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Post by binarypunisher on Jan 8, 2008 18:48:52 GMT -5
Same with all the Dot44 FJ stuff out...
It is true there were Dot44 SS FJ smocks...but bandoleers and helmet covers is flat out wrong!
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Post by sniper on Jan 8, 2008 21:41:08 GMT -5
I realy like the tan & water and the splinter smocks. I was thinking of starting with ethier a field grey uniform , or the field grey M40 pants , serves shirt , and a tan &water or splinter smock.
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Post by Lev on Jan 9, 2008 13:51:55 GMT -5
You should get a feldbluse before you get a smock.
Reenactors and airsofters go completely over the top with camo stuff. Your feldgrau uniform should be your primary outfit. The smocks are "nice to have" items.
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Post by gadge on Jan 9, 2008 14:03:34 GMT -5
Ok as a quick example.
Using Brian l. Davies 'German army unifomrs and insignia 1939-45' i'll compare.
Pictures/plates where all visible soldiers are in feldgrau or snow camo and helmets are bare, have breadbag straps, netting, chickenwire or inner tube (including improvised bedsheet camo): 254
Plates where even *one* soldier is wearing *any* splinter or tan and water and i've been generous to include helemt covers and officers made tunics out of ss camo: 18
And of the above 18 camo items (which includes zelts) Tan and water items: 2
Shows you how rare it was really
Davies book is pretty much the bible IMO too.
As tedious an exercise as that was to do (only took a few mins to be honest) i hope it reinforces the point of the rarity of cmao in the heer.
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Post by sniper on Jan 9, 2008 14:31:59 GMT -5
I was looking throught My Osphery men at arms , The german army 1938-45 (5) /western front 1939-45 , and many of the Photos and plates show camo smocks .
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Post by gadge on Jan 9, 2008 14:54:09 GMT -5
Osprey are not the best source, trust me. Good for an overview of a period but not gospel.
However you obviously want a tan and water smock, go buy one, just stop asking us to help you justify it as being accurate.
Honestly its like a less than 1% issue item but you have your heart set on it and its not hurting anyone so go for it , but please do buy your feldgrau first as its going to look daft in wool trousers a shirt and smock, if you're going to go down that route perhaps a HBT pair of trousers.
I going to stop saying this now as it doens tappear to be going in but
Camo items in the heer other than the zelt are incredibly rare.
If you *really* like splinter pattern get luftwaffe field division loadout, a *lot* of their guys in france and the rest of NWE had splinter pattern combat jackets which were worn without a fliegerblouse sometimes.
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Post by sniper on Jan 9, 2008 15:12:27 GMT -5
Thank you for the advise . I will buy the Field grey uniform first , and thatk you for the info about the osphery books . I have one more question and it is not to use you to try and justify the buying of the smock . I was woundering how acurat the spear head camo smocks are .
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Post by gadge on Jan 9, 2008 18:06:53 GMT -5
Cant help you there as i dont own one, on with osprey again though i bought their 'british battle dress' title a month or so back,its got about ten glaring erors in it that even a casual student would pick out, a lot of them are like that.
They are great to get a feel for a new project but always try and work off multiple sources
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Post by sniper on Jan 9, 2008 18:58:04 GMT -5
I know how to do reserch , but as of right now I only have accec to a vary small amount of books that even mention camo , although I amtrying to change that , most of my library consist of ancient , and Napoleonic books , although I have read several hundred books on the topic of WW2 . I know a lot more about snipers and tank and U-boat crews , than the regular infantry . Although you should note that my library is still growing , and that about half of the books that I read were about the American forces . In the future I think I will buy the book that you suggested to me. Thank you for your time .
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Post by gadge on Jan 9, 2008 19:00:21 GMT -5
Its a *very* good book.
In the uk if you are lucky you can get it for about £10
IN the menatime im happy to look stuff up for you if you want info on anything.
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