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Post by 2ndbat2 on Jan 21, 2021 14:07:55 GMT -5
In an official WW2 Infantry training video M1 Garlands are shown easily penetrating 14" thick trees and knocking the helmet off a costumed target at 250 yards. An M1 carbine is shown putting a hole in a bucket through a tree at 50 yards. I took both to be fact but according to this contemporary video showing a wide range of weapons up to a .50 Cal the evidence doesn't seem to support it. Clearly propaganda to encourage aggressively putting rounds down range and to think carefully about what to choose as cover. Here is the video which I found to be quite entertaining and surprising. fishgame.com/2018/09/what-caliber-bullets-will-penetrate-a-tree/
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Post by volkssturm on Jan 21, 2021 23:13:49 GMT -5
Interesting. Of course, that was a fairly good sized tree. Back in ROTC (in Spokane) we used to have exercises at an old WWII military camp west of town. Would be a great place for an Airsoft game except I've heard it was sold off and a subdivision built on it. Lot's of small-medium pine trees. After one exercise I recall the colonel, who was got in near the end of WWII as a 2LT, pointing to maybe a 12 inch pine tree and saying "That's not cover."
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Post by 2ndbat2 on Jan 23, 2021 3:22:42 GMT -5
Volks where did you do ROTC? I was at Seattle u. Were you by chance at Gonzaga our sister school over in Spokane? We're similar ages. Did you do advanced camp at Ft Lewis? Our pathes may very well have crossed.
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Post by 2ndbat2 on Jan 25, 2021 15:16:10 GMT -5
On the rifle ranges at assorted posts throughout the country and overseas I often went down range to help set up or take down the pop up silhouette targets the US Army frequently used in the 60s and 70s as part of the framing railroad ties and sections of heavy rail metals were frequently used. I was often surprised to see how cleanly 7.62 and even 5.56 punched through the wood and steel plate. Seeing in movies folks hiing behind turned over tables, sofas and open car doors is just comical.
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Post by CPL. Mills 2nd Rangers on Feb 11, 2021 13:04:39 GMT -5
cool video, I remember watching this about a year ago. He is shooting civilian ammo, would the WWII ammo back then have a different grain count from what he is shooting to affect its penetrating power?
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Post by 2ndbat2 on Feb 11, 2021 21:50:46 GMT -5
Good question. The US Army actually reduced the power of the 30.06 ammo when they had incidence of ball ammo penetrating the Nexus designed to protect the soldiers in the target pits who's job it was to designate hits.
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Post by volkssturm on Feb 12, 2021 17:47:15 GMT -5
*Volks where did you do ROTC? I was at Seattle u. Were you by chance at Gonzaga our sister school over in Spokane? We're similar ages. Did you do advanced camp at Ft Lewis? Our pathes may very well have crossed.*
Good Old GU. Go Zags! I was at Fort Lewis June-July '70.
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Post by 2ndbat2 on Feb 16, 2021 18:34:39 GMT -5
I forgot that when I first arrived in Alaska as part of my in processing they showed the effectiveness of snow and blocked ice when used as cover. The film showed rounds from assorted weapons obliterating the snow and ice with the admonition that it only facilitated concealment. Without logs or sandbags it was essentially worthless.
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Post by CPL. Mills 2nd Rangers on Feb 18, 2021 11:10:06 GMT -5
How thick was the ice used in testing? There was that failed plan during the war to make a ship out of ice, but they were going to reinforce the ice with wood pulp.
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Post by 2ndbat2 on Feb 18, 2021 21:22:56 GMT -5
The wood pulp was the secret sauce that might have made it viable. The snow and ice "fortifications" looked substantial but didn't work at all. In the video they recommended if under fire you go prone and try to dig into the snow with a "snow angel" like movement but that was to conceal yourself and create a smaller target.
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Post by volkssturm on Feb 18, 2021 22:27:44 GMT -5
It was called "Pykrete", after the inventor, Geoffrey Pyke, who came up with the mixture and the idea of making an ice aircraft carrier.
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