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Post by mussolini on Mar 24, 2008 17:26:20 GMT -5
Hey guys. I'm new at this and was looking at getting a German Heer uniform. I picked things from several different websites and I would appreciate it if anyone could tell me whether or not I am making a good choice: LANDSER OUTFITTERS M43 Gray Field Hat w/ Cap Eagle Ammunition Bag Jackboots 1 Liter felt canteen 1944 MILTIARIA German wool socks FRONTLINE MILITARIA Splinter Camoflage coat (they call it Knochensack splinter, I'm not sure what that first word means.) Reversible (white on other side) Splinter Trousers
Thank you for any help you can give me.
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Post by Jager.Drü on Mar 24, 2008 17:31:38 GMT -5
You don't need a ammunition bag. But you need ammunition pouches either MP40/Kar98/G43/Mp44. The Kochensack = Bonesack. It was a term used for FJ jump smocks. That would be the wrong smock for an Heer impression. The Reversibles are fine for winter as the are the pants for the parka set.
You might want to get your wool uniform first and then add camo. Depending on what unit you pick, you may or maynot need camo. Some Heer units got alot others didn't.
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Post by binarypunisher on Mar 24, 2008 21:28:05 GMT -5
You dont want their splinter knochensack anyways, its the wrong type of splinter for a knochensack.
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Post by Adler69 on Mar 25, 2008 2:04:51 GMT -5
Knochensack = Bone sack . the FJ gave the first models that name as a joke. It's supposed to hold your bones after you land and brake every bone in your body.
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Post by mussolini on Mar 25, 2008 4:30:51 GMT -5
Thanks, guys. Where should I get the basic wool uniform? I was looking around there was a wide price range and I have a limited supply of money.
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Post by gadge on Mar 25, 2008 4:57:57 GMT -5
If you want a passable one cheap go to 'spearhead militaria' on ebay. Comes with insignia, not the hardest wearing or up to high standard re-enacting but perfectly fine for wwii airsoft.
We usually use the over in the UK as they are so cheap if you wreck them it doesnt really matter.
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Post by mussolini on Mar 25, 2008 13:48:24 GMT -5
Thanks for telling me about the store. Now I am faced with the question: should I get a helmet or a hat? I know the helmet will cost more, but what usually looks better? I'm guessing the helmet.
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Post by gadge on Mar 25, 2008 13:54:26 GMT -5
for a budget get an m43 cap, you wil find this *much* more useful to start with and infintely more practical for airsofting.
My recomended start up is thus: spearhead m40 tunic and kielhosen. m43 cap green gaiters (for starting off any army boots wil do under these for airsoft) Belt and buckle. mp40 pouches if you have a '40... g43 pouches if you have a k98 or g43 (as tanaka k98 mags dont fit in k98 pouches!) bread bag.
We got my mate mat all the above, plus zeltbahn and an mp40 and 5 mags for about £200 shopping mainly with spearhead and RSOV.
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Post by mussolini on Mar 25, 2008 14:14:51 GMT -5
Thanks. I was going to go for the hat anyway. Why does eevryone recommend the bread bag? What is it's importance?
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Post by 2ndranger on Mar 25, 2008 14:16:19 GMT -5
It holds your personal items, extra food, ammo, gas, batteries and other items like such. It also makes the impression look more completed.
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Post by Lev on Mar 25, 2008 14:26:47 GMT -5
I highly recommend finding a unit to join before purchasing your equipment and uniform. What one gets for a Heer, FJ or SS impression can differ radically. Certain units will also have different standards and it's best to know those before you buy. The breadbag and canteen are a must...every Soldat had them. Contrary to popular belief, the breadbag was not a bag for all of your personal items. It was mainly intended to hold food (hence the term breadbag), your eating utensils, butter, and then anything else that would fit. Personal items were generally carried in your trouser and tunic pockets. This isn't to say that in the absence of food other stuff wasn't put into a breadbag (it certainly was), but overall it's a rations bag...it's a BREADbag!
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Post by TommyGunner on Mar 25, 2008 14:29:11 GMT -5
Cap.Zak here on the boards can get you everthing you need for very good prices. Give him a PM on this.
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Post by gadge on Mar 25, 2008 16:26:10 GMT -5
Aye its a breadbag and really should have your fat dish and rye bread and similar in it.
But in the real world of an eight hour day of airsofting with a lunch break at most sites its dead handy for batteries and a bag of BBS.....
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Post by gadge on Mar 25, 2008 16:29:33 GMT -5
You'll also find a canteen one of the more expensive items.
Most stuff like breadbags, ammo pouches, belts and y-straps are available as good reasonably priced repros.
Canteens are harder to find and usually cost about 30 to 40 uk pounds (about 70 dollars?)
If you look for 'feldflasche' (i think) on ebay.de you can sometimes pick them up cheap but its a good idea to have a reasonable knowledge of german or a friend who does to read the description so you dont buy a lemon.
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Post by gadge on Mar 25, 2008 16:31:03 GMT -5
Before i got one (bargain at 15 uk pounds from sabre sales) i used to carry a modern water bottle out of sight in a german gas mask cannister as i'd had one of those for years.
I sometimes use that for food or bbs now as after a 24 hour exercisein the soaking wet i found my breadbag full of rye mush....
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Post by valtteri on Mar 25, 2008 18:58:47 GMT -5
Original canteens may have real fragile leatherware. I messed up mine for good, now it's held together by electrical tape. Looks about the part and that's it, not that I'd dare to drink anything out of it anyways. I keep a water-filled lemonade bottle in my gas mask canister and an additional US M-1942 canteen in by bread bag, it's a bit better and I try to dring from the lemonade bottle only when nobody sees. With repro straps (available from ebay) the canteens are useable, though it's pure luck to get a clean/cleanable one.
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Post by gadge on Mar 26, 2008 10:02:16 GMT -5
My canteen straps are nearly dead, for while i saved them by gluing a strip on thin leatherette on the reverse side but i've since sent it away to have a repro set fitted (cant do it myself as the strap rivets onto the water bottle top.)
As mines slightly post war i dont mind it being 'modded'
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Post by mussolini on Mar 26, 2008 13:48:04 GMT -5
Where could I find a unit in Western Massachusetts?
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Post by YankeeDiv26 on Mar 26, 2008 15:06:42 GMT -5
the unit recruiting section in the peroid impressions and unit recruiting section.
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Post by mikkel on Mar 26, 2008 19:36:56 GMT -5
It's very easy to restor an original feldflasche. Perfect repro felt covers (with perfect pattern snap buttons), leather hardware and cups are readily avalible. With a little patience and some leathersewing skills, you can make your old waterbottle useable again.
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Post by bootyourface on May 16, 2008 13:28:02 GMT -5
Just get things that make you look the part. Then when money is less of an issue, pick up the things that make it look even more right. As in if you're tight for cash, Don't bother with a gas mask canister. Don't buy insignia over a belt buckle.
Though I live up in Canada, and there are only 4 of us where I live with loadouts. But if you just want to get in, looking like a german, don't bother with cosmetic untill later.
However on that note. The gas mask canister fits a can of propane perfectly for the most part. A little padding so the propane doesn't move around, and its good. Though, this is a little heavy (more so than just having a gas mask in there)
The bread bag is perfect for a bag of bb's, spead loader, and a spare battery. With comparments for each thing.
For food, I pack small snacks into my messkit, which i have attached to my Aframe. in the a frame bag you could put more food if need be, face cloth, extra socks. Pretty much anything.
For mag pouches, depending on the gun, and rules (up here, ww2 airsoft isn't actually played since there are only 4 of us who are into it so far) The STG44 mag pouches will fit a few types in. I use them for AK47 mags, while my friend uses them for M4 mags. Both a bit snug fitting, but they work. If you're buying the Tanaka k98, Buy g43 mag pouches. Tanaka's mag's won't fit into the 98k ones. And the mp40 mag pouches will hold pretty much any slim straight mag. I THINK the thompson mags will fit into them
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Post by ww2reenactor on Oct 5, 2008 13:24:10 GMT -5
Original canteens may have real fragile leatherware. I messed up mine for good, now it's held together by electrical tape. Looks about the part and that's it, not that I'd dare to drink anything out of it anyways. I keep a water-filled lemonade bottle in my gas mask canister and an additional US M-1942 canteen in by bread bag, it's a bit better and I try to dring from the lemonade bottle only when nobody sees. With repro straps (available from ebay) the canteens are useable, though it's pure luck to get a clean/cleanable one. did you ever oil the leather?
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Post by kilroy9thss on Oct 6, 2008 20:42:51 GMT -5
on the leather it depends how bad the dry rotting is, my kl 39 has and awsome strap just the very tip is to gone to be helped and i have oiled it and it made it worse , but as for my 40 dated africa canteen the canvas is damn near indestructable its the thread that u have to worry about on those. my last battle i noticed the thread ripping out and retired it until i can fix the prob.
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Post by ww2reenactor on Oct 7, 2008 19:52:50 GMT -5
what type of oil did u use?
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Post by kilroy9thss on Oct 8, 2008 22:36:59 GMT -5
i normaly use olive oil or mink oil
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Post by ww2reenactor on Oct 13, 2008 8:24:39 GMT -5
mink oil is good but saddle soap is the best, it willl make ur leather practically new again
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Post by kilroy9thss on Oct 13, 2008 22:22:41 GMT -5
eh i dont like to look new, if u see me my stuff is torn and dirty and looks like war lol, i hate seeing brand new uniforms in the feild it just doesnt look right to me
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Post by gadge on Oct 14, 2008 2:54:15 GMT -5
I don't know it was new once, stuff *definitely* should not look 60 years old like some original kit does today.
Think about it none of it would have been more than 10 years old and that would be pushing it. Camo items no more than 7 years old.... oakleaf smocks, 2 years old? etc etc...
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Post by kilroy9thss on Oct 14, 2008 12:14:11 GMT -5
im not saying is should look 60 years old im saying it should look like u have bin fighting in the war for a few years, my stuff isnt faded its just dirty and looks war torn like it should, i compare my uniforms to pic's from the war
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Post by maverik on Oct 14, 2008 16:27:45 GMT -5
eh i dont like to look new, if u see me my stuff is torn and dirty and looks like war lol, i hate seeing brand new uniforms in the feild it just doesnt look right to me[/quote I totally agree but, here is my exception, if you are new to WW2 airsoft (me) then your uniform should look kinda new...due to the fact your the equivalent to a replacement (like in band of brothers).]
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