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Post by monkeynutz on Sept 28, 2009 7:10:27 GMT -5
Im glad you reopened it hadnt read this thread before. i rememeber watching a youtube clip of a german training video, that shows them assulting entrenched posistions using the MG to suppress while the rilfes advance using smoke, when finally with in charging distance they throw grenades through and follow them in with bayonettes fixed.. not really practical with a squad of one i admit but still. Typically now i cant find the clip to post it.
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Post by maxatax on Oct 20, 2009 20:59:59 GMT -5
Once agian sorry to necropost but taking in the the consideration of the new mp40's and stg44's and kar98's and the growing rarity of a mg42 how would you arrange a squad of 6-12 people?
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Post by Garrick Udet on Oct 23, 2009 11:22:26 GMT -5
You field the squad based on the weapons people have. We can all wax poetic about how we should base our squad compositions on historical fact, but the reality is that the cheapest and most common WWII German Airsoft Weapons are not what comprised the majority of German infantry weapons.
On top of that, when we have fielded a German Squad with a high proportion of Mausers, the lack of a reliable MG (or any MG for that matter), makes it a very uneven fight.
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Post by tommyhawk on Jun 29, 2012 9:02:29 GMT -5
are you allowed to bring flare guns to the events? They might be a good way to simulate rockets against tanks.
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Post by LϟϟAH1944 on Jul 9, 2012 8:40:53 GMT -5
umm...NO. Flares are only used as flares. And there are no tanks really in airsoft anyways, so its a mood point. Flared can start fires very easily.
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Post by hardslack on Oct 6, 2014 22:36:21 GMT -5
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Post by luftwelle93 on Oct 7, 2014 17:10:12 GMT -5
Very cool vid thanks for sharing!Gives a good look on how they operate!
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Post by 2nd Bat on Oct 20, 2014 13:02:45 GMT -5
There are airsoft events both here in the US and certainly overseas that incorporate armored vehicles but discussions about Infantry vs Tanks should be a seoerate thread. the WW2 era training video is actually quite helpful. With the availability now of the AGM Mp43 and influx of homebuilt Kar 98 / VSR conversions something approximating a properly equippped squad of Germans is no longer out of the realm of practicality. late war of course the Germans reduced the size of the Infantry battalions (Abteluings) and tried to make up for it by increasing the percentage of full auto weapons. (Mp40s and of course the STG 44). these are finally available, affordable and skirmishable.
I found it interesting in the training film that the narrator refers to the MP40 wrongly as a Smiesser but that was the common venacular of the time.
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Post by francklen on Nov 20, 2014 0:55:32 GMT -5
Thanks for this topic i have read and get some idea about making weapons. first time to be hear and i like this topic about German Airsoft tactics? ________________________________________ zombie melee weapons
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Post by 2nd Bat on Nov 20, 2014 1:37:19 GMT -5
The key consideration with all airsoft tactics are adjusting to the realities of airsofts limitations. BBs don't penetrate brush very well so concealment often serves as cover for direct fire. The range limitations mean that manuever elements must be must smaller than actual squads and platoons. A squad larger than five or six when deployed with even reasonable intervals cannot mutual lay covering fire for itself from one end of the element to the other. In reality squads were seldom at full strength anyway so five or six men is actually quite credible.
Because ranges are abbreviated grenades become a more active and consistent part of firefights but no more so than they would in actual close combat. Unaimed suppressive fire and the concept of fire and manuever and importance of securing a flank are everybit as important as actual firefights. Though certainly not as serious.
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Post by ssgjoe on Nov 28, 2014 15:00:18 GMT -5
A good trick is if you dive for cover, roll over a few times to conceal your position better. This was something the Germans were trained to do.
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Post by ssgjoe on Nov 28, 2014 15:00:42 GMT -5
And move quickly from cover to cover.
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Post by FrankieJ on Jan 9, 2015 15:47:07 GMT -5
Here is a Link to an OSS video on actual German Squad tactics during WWII. While this is not an all encompassing expression of German tactics during WWII (German Officers were taught to be flexible and improvise, Vs. per say the Red Army) with regard to operation, it does represent in a nutshell the common tactical doctrine for classically armed and deployed German squads consisting of of 10 to 12 soldiers. An excellent video that should help you see how "real WWII Germans" would have done things. www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kz0a_QGifPMWW2: O.S.S. The German Infantry Squad in Action - A Demonstration of minor field Tactics (1944)
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jan 12, 2015 23:56:32 GMT -5
Thanks Frankie. since the link was provided earlier in the thread I guess the thinking was...sure they've already seen it already but its worth seeing again! Actually it is a great video thanks for sharing.
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Post by FrankieJ on Jan 13, 2015 16:31:42 GMT -5
Whoops! Apparently so, my mistake
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