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Post by mikkel on Jan 12, 2006 9:05:50 GMT -5
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Post by Guinness on Jan 12, 2006 10:46:18 GMT -5
Alright, Someone get on this and see if it is a quality ok? So that the rest of us can then buy up all the rest of the Top MP40's and keep them from being 'Paperweights'  -G |
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jan 12, 2006 13:09:29 GMT -5
Note the comment that this kit is for experts only. This is not a simple drop in reassemble proposition. $310.00 plus shipping to US (Shouldn't be too bad) an obviously if it's a quality set up and you can buy a toes up TOP MP40 (plenty of them around) might make for a great opprtunity for a do-it-yourselfer. It's still going to wind up being a spendy gun. Yikes!
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Post by Guinness on Jan 12, 2006 23:19:44 GMT -5
Den Trinity has the TOP MP40 on special- New for $389- www.dentrinityshop.com/den_special.jsp?pg=2&rpp=10So since most folks that bought them when they released paid $500+, this price on one from Den may be attractive even expecting to replace the gearbox. After all, it is metal......  -G |
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Post by mikkel on Jan 13, 2006 8:47:27 GMT -5
I think its going to be cheaper to buy a used, broken MP40, and replace the gearbox on that one.
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Post by schmitty on Jan 13, 2006 12:20:15 GMT -5
Wow. $310 plus about another $150 of parts to get a $400 gun up to the level of a $250 Tokyo Marui, Not saying it isn't worth it but it's a little crazy. You could buy a TM AK-47 for $250 (or less if used) take the gearbox out of it and modify it to fit the Top mp-40. The PGC gearbox does look pretty nice (roller bearings, stronger case) But do you realy need those enhancments for a sub machine gun?
Schmitty
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Post by 9mmsleepingpill on Jan 16, 2006 17:47:46 GMT -5
well it looks like 3 of us from the UK have ordered it  keep up to date on UKAN forums (ww2 section) lets see who is the first to build this thing up cant wait to have a mp40 that works properly |
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Post by Capt. Zak on Jan 16, 2006 23:01:26 GMT -5
SWeet Jesus...I'm just gonna sell my MP40. What a let down.  |
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Post by Gordak on Jan 17, 2006 11:27:49 GMT -5
yes, the pgc box has an "overkill" ring to it.
I think im never going to even bother putting my top mp40 back together, rather Ill keep improving my asahi mp40s.
-Gordak
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Post by predator06 on Jan 18, 2006 12:40:40 GMT -5
they are all apparently sold out as well. But I am willing to pay that price for the upgrade. Sad to say, but Its not like WW2 AS is all that cheap to begin with after all. But if ya wanna play, I guess you gotta pay. |
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Post by 9mmsleepingpill on Jan 19, 2006 6:38:13 GMT -5
ok guys...... thats me just recived an e-mail...... my gearbox ships out today i will give yous a heads up when it gets here |
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Post by 9mmsleepingpill on Jan 19, 2006 8:51:00 GMT -5
predator06 gunsnguys.com have them on their web site, give them a shout and see if they are in stock
go to .... parts and accessories.... then others(bottom left screen)
hope this helps your quest for a working mp40
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Post by predator06 on Jan 19, 2006 15:11:22 GMT -5
Thanks 9mm.
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Post by Gordak on Jan 19, 2006 20:01:27 GMT -5
yeah, predator is right, 800 bux for a kick but mp40 is worth it.
same reason all those people bought TOP saws (upgrade them to something useable)
-Gordak
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Post by predator06 on Jan 20, 2006 10:31:51 GMT -5
Thank you 9mm, Hopefully I will have the cash for it by mid next month.
No, this is not targeted at you gordak, you apparently already understand what I'm
about to say.
Everyone else. The top MP 40 looks to be a Kick arse very well made replica, with a flawed mech box.
but the body is gorgeous and very very well made.
And even though the PGC Mech box looks pretty Pricey, After you take into account that it IS after all a custom after market option,You can tell why it is so expensive just by looking at what you get. I See a lot of what appear to be High quality internal parts in that mech box.
PGC Gearbox comes with,,
* Hop Up Chamber Set
* Trigger
* Motor Pad
* Spring Guide Holder
* 8mm Bearing ( 6pcs )
* PGC Hop Up Bucking
* PGC High Tensile Tappet Plate
* PGC Spring Guide
* PGC Aluminum Bearing Piston Head ( for cool popping sound)
* PGC Cylinder Head & Nozzle
* M100 Spring (300-350fps)
* CD Contains Reference Photos
Thats allot of good High quality looking hardware.
It may be a little bit pricey, But the end result should be an absolutely Kick arse, well made and reliable MP40 AEG.
And If you consider how much it probably costs to Ghetto-mod the old Asahi guns, or the price of an air system, in the end the prices paid are probably similar.
and its STILL less pricey than an STG44. (which I plan to buy anyways.)
So like Gordak says. you should end up with an absolutely Kick Arse MP40, if your willing to fork out some extra cash.
And I bet with this mech box, this MP40 will last for many years. and will probably eventually become a "classic".
Thats part of the reason I went ahead and bought one, despite everyones warnings. Because 3 years from now, a modified TOP MP40 like that will be a Beautiful rarity on any airsoft field.
And look at it this way. You don't have to buy the fully modded gun at once if you cant afford it. you can spread the cost out over several months buy buying first the gun, then the Mech box, ETC.
A FINAL WARNING.
After the debacle of this MP40. I Doubt any more are made by top. ( a sneaking suspicion I have)
and I doubt TM will ever do it. Shoei may do a gas one eventually, but count on it costing 1000$ or more and being GAS powered if they ever do it. So if you want a High quality AEG MP40,
This will probably be your only chance to get one.
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Post by mikkel on Jan 20, 2006 18:48:21 GMT -5
"Because 3 years from now, a modified TOP MP40 like that will be a Beautiful rarity on any airsoft field." Yes, because all others will run around with prefect Shoei MP40's  I don't think TOP will not make any more MP40's they have invested hugely in the project, and the actual production is cheap as opposed to the development. If there are buyers, TOP will have the product. |
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Post by 9mmsleepingpill on Jan 20, 2006 21:02:10 GMT -5
no problem predator06 glad to help id didn't care much about the price of the Top mp40 when it came onto the market... over priced pill of crap (well the mech box is the crap part )...... it was my late Christmas gift......... so buying the new mech box don't bother me cause my gun was free so to say ok, one of our UK lads has found the first problem with this new mech box, the motor pad is not there and you will need wider shims......... apart from that he seems happy with it, and the changing of the spring is a 2min job...... which is good i suppose you guys have plenty of spare parts kicking around, so there will be no problem for yous |
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Post by 9mmsleepingpill on Jan 20, 2006 21:06:14 GMT -5
" I don't think TOP will not make any more MP40's they have invested hugely in the project, and the actual production is cheap as opposed to the development. If there are buyers, TOP will have the product. thats there own fault for sticking by that stupid bellow system apart from the Shoei range the Top mp40 has got to be the best looking and most solid gun out there, next to its real steal counterpart |
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Post by schmitty on Jan 20, 2006 23:44:25 GMT -5
How will the Shoei be better than Tops? The Top Mp-40 looks and feels great, It looks at least as good as any Shoei replica I have seen (I have 2 Shoei's now and had 1 other) They are nice but not better. And Shoei guns don't work very good either without a lot of tinkering. If you prefer gas guns that's fine but they are not better than AEG's There are pros and cons to both.
Schmitty
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Post by Mikke1 on Jan 21, 2006 11:06:01 GMT -5
I haven't had the TOP model in my hands, but those Shoei models i have seen, are a very nice copy of the original one (some of their models are better than others).
If you say that the TOP MP40 is as good as the real one, then i will seriously consider buying one. I do't have an air-rig, and the investment in one is quite a pain (getting all the parts, getting the tank filed from time to time).
Have anyone compared the TOP MP40 with a real one?
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Post by schmitty on Jan 21, 2006 11:30:10 GMT -5
Predator06: you make some very good points, It is expensive but should be worth it in the long run. And very true that if you're holding out for the Shoei version it will probably cost you more and many of us would much rather have an AEG than gas.
Mikkel: I think the Top MP-40 is about as close to a real one as your ever going to get ( I mean I don't see how a replica could be any more like the real thing), It's at least as nice (maybe nicer) than any Shoei replica I've seen. But I would recommend trying to find someone nearby with one to have a look before you decide to spend your hard earned $$ on one.
Schmitty
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Post by 9mmsleepingpill on Jan 23, 2006 6:18:44 GMT -5
its arrived will let you guys know how i get on with it, well once i get time to do anything |
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Post by Capt. Zak on Jan 24, 2006 6:48:16 GMT -5
You guys have brought up several good reasons to buy the new gearbox. So...I may have to cave in and pick one up. Keep us posted 9mm
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Post by 9mmsleepingpill on Jan 25, 2006 16:39:37 GMT -5
Ok, this thing is a work of art out of the box some one has done their home work on re-doing this mech-box not realising or more to the point about the parts i needed, i have had to order them in aswell, and ive just noticed that HK will be doing there new year this week so my parts will be delayed (all guarder parts) already one of the lads from the UK has his mech-box built and running, from what he says its sweet gawd only knows what TOP was thinking when they put that bellow system into their mp40  i dont know how you guys over there are with FPS limits....... this one you will love ............. to change the main spring ........... 1 screw 1 screw and you can change the spring in 10 seconds i will put up some pics from the CD that is sent with the mech box |
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Post by 9mmsleepingpill on Jan 25, 2006 16:57:53 GMT -5
this is the new mech-box (much better than that "TOP" crap)  the batt pac reworked  batt pac installed  |
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Post by schmitty on Jan 29, 2006 22:55:28 GMT -5
I spent most of today installing the new PGC gearbox into my Top Mp40 and here are a few of my insights.
The good:
The gear case and other cast parts are incredibly well made and fit together extremely well. I used all Systema parts and everything fit perfect and operates very smoothly. The ability to swap springs quickly is a nice feature.
The few things I didn't like:
It is very fiddly to put together. The drawings are not always clear and I found a few errors (there are no written instructions) The included CD-rom with photos is helpfull to a point (there aren't many photos).
The hop up although well made has the worst adjustment knob I have seen. You have to slide an allen screw fore and aft but it's hard to move without a tool and wants to kink sideways as you push or pull.
At the 260mm the instructions suggest the barrel will stick out beyond the end of the mp40's barrel and so does the little brass bushing they include. My solution: cut the barrel about 8mm shorter and wrap electrical tape around the barrel as a bushing instead of using the brass bushing included (which would probably fall off in time even if you glued it in place).
I chose not to mill out the pistol grip as they suggest, Instead I am using a 2 cell 2000mah li-poly battery which easily fits in the space left behind the gearbox and can still be accessed by opening the Mp-40 in the original realistic manner. If you build the kit as suggested you will have to remove a screw each time you want to separate the front of the gun from the receiver.
The thing I liked the least about it is the trigger. The new trigger has very square edges and doesn't look or feel right. There is no trigger return spring instead it relies completely on the spring inside of the original micro switch, the result is a unrealistic super light trigger with very little travel.
I didn't get to test it out much since it's very rainy and windy here today (normal Seattle winter) I fired it out the back door and it seemed to work just as expected.
Despite my gripes overall this is a very high quality kit that will make your Mp40 into something you can use and be proud of
Schmitty
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Post by indy on Mar 14, 2006 20:46:29 GMT -5
Sorry to revive an old thread...anyways my question is :
Does the PGC gearbox arrive assembled or does it arrive in pieces as shown in the retail picture? I don't have the know-how to install it myself (even if it comes assembled) but my local airsoft shop said they could do it.
Is there anything else needed besides the PGC set that I should be aware of?
Cheers,
Thomas
PS: If someone wants to sell me their burned out Top MP40 shoot me a PM as I planned on buying one from Den Trinity and taking out the gear-box anyways.
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Post by schmitty on Mar 15, 2006 9:21:33 GMT -5
The PGC gearbox does not arrive complete or assembled, In addition to the PGC kit you will also need, A short (AK) type motor, all three gears (Marui, systema etc.) An Anti reversal latch, piston, cylinder and a marui aeg barrel, Also you will need the little pad that the allen screw pushes against the motor. You can't buy those so I made one out of 1/16 brass.
It isn't too hard to put together, But I did not do the milling they suggest to accommodate the original battery.
Schmitty
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Post by 9mmsleepingpill on Mar 15, 2006 19:34:56 GMT -5
As schmitty says...... dont bother with the milling out the pistol grip just fire in some mini batts, and dont use any spring below the 1j or m100 as the gearbox tends to have problems  i dont know why ?? it just dose, happened to mine, i tryed to down grade the power, NOT WORTH IT |
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