Level one Thompson upgrade??

[160thsoar]

What is the level one thompson upgrade and where can i get it??

[spitfire740]

I think that in the near future, upgrades are gonna be banned from the airsoft fields, so I wouldn't suggest getting one.

[160thsoar]

yea but i still want one. i would like to know how to get my hands on one

[mauser98k]

dentrinity.com

[spitfire740]

yeah, they do offer upgrades, but to ship your gun to Asia would be a real bitch. Look for a service located in the states that offer upgrades. Just my idea's on the matter.

[silencer]

NC.... Is airsoft extreme out there?

[Rainer Schmidt]

I agree with Spitfire here. Outsourcing to upgrade is a waste of money as there is probably a tech nearby that can do it for alot cheaper.

As for the ban on upgrades, I hope not. That implies that people are a little too soft to play. We in the Okanagan are running our guns just under the 500 mark with no serious injuries or complaints. Besides, how do you expect to get the Tanaka shooting 300 an' down....Thatthing has the capacity to fire at 750 with .20s on a hot day (Not that I would ever play like that though).

[Gordak]

I doubt upgrades will get banned in airsoft in general, HOWEVER!

A thompson that shoots farther than a k98 would be bad for ww2 airsoft.
in real life the effective ranges are

Thompson - 55 yards

Kar98k - 800 yards

airsoft wise, Stock configuration seems to be where we should keep it

thompson 270 fps (.20 bbs)

Kar98k 450 fps (.20bbs)

No hop up for thompsons might even be a vialble rule
-Gordak

[CharleyNovember]

There are several US retailers that can upgrade your AEG. I have seen some real bad upgrades coming from HK. Check out www.georgiaairsoft.com for a US retailer that does good upgrades. I wouldn't upgrade over 350fps with a AEG. The difference between an upgraded M4(380FPS) and a stock (285FPS) Thompson was 10-15 feet in range when I tested both guns multiple times. Was it super scientific? No but it was a practical test between the two guns. 10-15feet really isn't worth 100.00 to me plus the increased stress on the mechbox. Use PDI springs as they give the same umhp without as much stress on your mechbox as Systema springs.

Our local field has a 330fps limit in the CQB town 400fps out in the field for AEG's 20ft MED Semionly rifles are limited to 550fps with a MED of 100feet. I wouldn't say we are too soft I would say we value safety first.

[CharleyNovember]

Also I'd like to add I really perfer to play with these guns in the stock configuration. Didn't use to be able to get upgrades in airsoft. Now it is sort of a weapons escalation with the "wallet warriors"

[savoy6]

Now it is sort of a weapons escalation with the "wallet warriors

exactly,....distance you get out of it will be crossed by someone more experienced in a couple of seconds and then they'll hammer you with their stock thompson..lol

[160thsoar]

No silencer airsoft is not big in NC... it is pretty much a lost art. Most people surf and if they do get the urge to shoot each other they do it with paintball or they shoot animals. Thanks guys from the sound of it i should just keep my thompson stock. but i would love to get some real wood on her.

thanks,
soar

[Broad Arrow]

160thsoar said:

What is the level one thompson upgrade and where can i get it??

Most level one upgrades are metal bushings and a spring.
You might consider doing it yourself. It's not that difficult.

[160thsoar]

well if i knew how i might

[Rainer Schmidt]

BroadArrow, I think that is bang on with the Level One assessment. I'd tend to agree that it is just a 150 or 170 spring and some metal bushings. FPS bost from 290 to 400-420 with .20g.

The only problem with that is the gears on your mechbox may give after 1 or two seasons (Cheap to replace thankfully) and the gun is no longer able to operate below freezing without risk of the mechbox fragmenting (Seen it happen oh so much).

I'd warn you against doin' the upgrade yourself, simply because if you are not mechanically inclined, you will have a problem on your hands. I've seen so many people crack a mechbox an' lose parts, put the motor back in wrong, or forget how they took it apart. Lovely ain't it?

[Gordak]

Thompsons, arent fun to take apart either, once you finally have the gears out, it feels like 3 hours went by.
But its also a pain to send it out, and Trust some guy to do it. The only guy I trust is Airsoftgear.com out in WI.
-Gordak

[HellRazor]

I don't recommend doing it yourself either, trust me, I repair them after people try it themselves. Its not hard once you KNOW what your doing, but with so many things it IS hard to figure out what your doing.

[160thsoar]

Damn i am not mechanicaly inclinded but i dont want to screw something up that i spent a few hundred dollars on. maybe i should just start thinking about getting a wood stock and front grip. Does anyone know if i can buy a kit or will i have to send my gun out to get that done to.

[2nd Bat]

Wood kits are available at WarGameClub in Hong Kong and handled stateside at Airsoft Extreme. A thompson is an extremely robust high quality replica and the wood in my opinion adds more to your weapon then an upgrade. The estimates on increased range by AADan are quite accurate. You get very little additional range from the upgrade. It's more an illusion then a fact when you actually test it out. The impact on durability is and should be a legitimate concern. To Gordacks point keeping SMGs at stock and allowing the long rifles (Garand, Kar 98s, MP44s etc to have inner barrels and upgrades makes a lot of sense) There should be a tradeoff in playablity relative to the weapon used. It'll never be relative in the sport of airsoft. (A stock gun will still come pretty close to the most severely upgraded weapon) but the effort in my opinion is worth it.

If I'm willing to haul one of Schmittys 25 pound, four feet long MGs and a bipod around it should be more lethal, accurate and generally more capable then some guys grease gun.

That's my opinion but it seems to be the goal we should be striving for. Most of my guns are stock and I have been delighted with their performance and reliability. I see guys that are upgrade addicted constantly having to live with dissapointments and always longing for that little extra edge. This shouldn't end up being about the thickness of your wallet.

[160thsoar]

well guys you have pretty made me lose my want of an upgrade. and i dont think that is to bad at all. from what i have read it is not really worth is and you should rely on your skill and not your wallet. also thanks 2nd bat i plan on getting that wood stock from airsoft extreme.

[Broad Arrow]

I really need to check back here more often.

Seems like you guys are talking about two things here.

1. The fact that you don't really need to increase velocity to enjoy the game and in fact its much more realistic when certain types of guns match their appropriate ranges. I agree with that.

2. The difficulty in upgrading a Thompson AEG and that it should be left to specialist shops. I humbly disagree.

Yes, you must be honest about your technical capabilities. But if you have a basic understanding of tools and can carefully follow directions, there is no reason why you couldn't perform a basic spring and bushing upgrade to a Thompson. I use to own my own shop and I would rate the Thompson as one of the easier guns to upgrade. Simplest being a G3 variant to most difficult be a SIG variant. As a general note I just disagree with people not learning about the ins and out of their weapons. Hey if we really want to be realistic we could say that back in the 40's people were expected to work on there own stuff. Just look at a car owners manual from that time. You were expected to be able to do your own tuneups, oil changes etc. That kind of can do attitude is just being lost in today's generation and I feel we should encourage newbies to learn this stuff.

Ok I'll get off of my soapbox now. Thanks for hearing me out.

[CharleyNovember]

Damn i am not mechanicaly inclinded

That's the point where the red flag comes up on doing his own upgrade....

[2nd Bat]

Having dissassembled a wide variety of real guns blindfolded and watched my son do upgrades on AEGs I can tell you that there is a huge difference in the complexities of a real military weapon and an airsoft gun. Real steel are actually much, much simpler to take apart and reassemble. I know enough about my abilities to know things my son finds very simple and easy to do I go nuts over. I see guys who've done their own upgrades watch their precious AEGs eat their young and fail them at skirmishes all the time. Most of the time it is a failure to adequately and properly shim the gun so the operation is smooth and seamless. This is alwmost an art form in and of itself. Some people have the knack and some people don't. Dan hit the nail on the head. If you're not the type that "likes to take things apart" you know it and God is trying to tell you something. If you're the type that does, be thankfull and consider yourself blessed. It's a gift not just an acquired ability. My 1943 Jeep is simplicity personafied. With 1780 functioning parts and components there is really not much to learn about and everything is easy to get at. Hence working on it is really easy. I still send it all out. My contemporary cars are so much more complicated that wouldn't dream of working on them. A huge advantage the US army enjoyed over our adversarys is we were a nation that fixed mechanical things. We wre an army of tinkerers.

I agree that all serious airsofters should learn enough about the guns they own to adequately clean them (which requires minor dissasembly in many cases) and to get some idea what is happening inside so if you have a failure you'll have an adequate estimate of what went wrong. (Broken tappet plate, worn piston or BB jammed in the barrel) a person who admits "they are not mechanically inclined" is smart to leave upgrades to someone else!

[CharleyNovember]

Ok off topic but not being able to fix stuff or not being mechnically inclined was not the problem. German obsession with perfection or as near to perfect as humanly possible was the issue. When they machined a part to fit it damn well fit with tight tolerances this made some fine machines but damn hard to fix with just some bailing wire and luck. Americans throw stuff together and say good enough. This worked for us in the field when things broke we could half ass it together where as Germans had technicians blah blah blah