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Post by dualdragons on Aug 10, 2006 2:13:51 GMT -5
Does anyone know if its possible to upgrade an M1 Carbine so that it can shoot the 8mm BBs at a higher fps? Maybe 400fps?
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Post by gunfreak on Aug 10, 2006 3:07:08 GMT -5
you don't realy need it. just use Green gass in the summer and you get like 370-400fps. but the mags realy can't take the gass and break. the gun can take it, the mags don't
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Post by dualdragons on Aug 10, 2006 3:10:59 GMT -5
wow... the mags break if you use green gas. So does that mean that red gas you get less power but they wont break? or what?
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Post by gunfreak on Aug 10, 2006 8:01:43 GMT -5
red has is even more powerfull then green. the recomended gas is 134a gas.
if you use green the mags will break before you've used them for a year.
if you use redgas they might break after 2 shots.
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Post by dualdragons on Aug 10, 2006 12:50:04 GMT -5
WoW... So does anyone know ho to repair the mags when they break with green gas? Its an o-ring blowout, right? I figure it shouldnt be too bad to repair...
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Post by gunfreak on Aug 10, 2006 12:54:32 GMT -5
you have to open them up, change the Oring, and i think there are some other things in there you have to do. havn't opend them my self. only heard about people doing it.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Aug 10, 2006 13:21:05 GMT -5
The carbine handles green gas just fine. At least based on my experience having owned two and operated them both for years. My real question for dual dragons is: What are you thinking? The carbine is one of the most powerful stock weapons on the airsoft battlefield as it is and there needs to be a reasonable limit of how much power is authorized. At most fields there already is. The Marushin carbine in it's stock form generally has power equivalent that places it in the sniper category requiring minimum engagement ranges. Keep in mind that a 8mm heavier BB creates considerably more impact then a 6mm lighter BB at comparable FPSs. You strike me as someone who needs to experience first hand at close range the differences generated so you'll glean a better appreciation for the concept I'm sharing.
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Post by Jager.Drü on Aug 11, 2006 1:15:12 GMT -5
lol, yeah get shot point blank and then talk about power upgrades ha
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Post by dualdragons on Aug 11, 2006 1:54:15 GMT -5
I hadnt even looked at what the stock power was. =P but I checked it out and Redwolf says that its 325fps. From what you're saying, I seem to be getting that even though it shoots 8mm bbs at only 325fps, because its a heavier/bigger round it will perform like a 400fps 6mm bb (roughly), right? You see, I have no experience with 8mm rounds, nor the Crabine itself. So please correct me if I'm wrong. =)
As for the power, I dont think that it really matters until you get over 460fps. I've been lit up by a guy with an M14 at 450fps from roughly 8 feet away and it stung like hell but you're over it just as fast as it hurts you. Which was a few seconds for me. So I dont think that 400fps is a big deal, it'll just move the BBs where I want them. As for the whole 8mm bbs working differently then 6mm bbs, I had no idea about that, so please fill me in.
The whole reason I'm making this topic is because of the M2 Carbine. I'm going to buy that and then put it in a paratrooper stock but I want to know about the M1 Carbine's magazines because I assume that they'll be greatly alike. I play with guys who have really powerful AEGs and so if I'm gonna use the M2 then I'd want a little extra power for better range to make up for less rounds.
Green gas should work just fine for me, I was just curious so that I have options when I get the gun. I had heard about an upgrade for the carbine to 400fps but it might have been another gun. also, the fields I play at have no limit on power (except something excessive like 500fps [unless its a sniper rifle]) because they are my fields =).
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Post by gunfreak on Aug 11, 2006 4:07:06 GMT -5
at 450fps without saftey distances, i would STRONGLY recomend useing paintball masks,
a stock 300fps gun can easly knock out a tooth, at 450 it will make you toothless and will give you permanet scars on any part of you body not coverd by clothes.
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Post by dualdragons on Aug 11, 2006 20:18:59 GMT -5
I know, I dont play with him anymore because he was a prick. But thanks for the advise, I've never seen anyone get their teeth nocked out but I dont want to wait till it happens. I'll let people know about that.
As for the Carbine, I'll just use Green Gas. It gets more power, its safe to use and its the cheapest of them all. Thanks for the help guys!
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Post by savoy6 on Aug 13, 2006 22:52:48 GMT -5
at temps above 75-80 degrees my M1 runs at between 420 to 430 fps with green gas and pausing between shots.
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Post by dualdragons on Aug 14, 2006 0:22:04 GMT -5
What are the temperatures that mess up gas guns? In Southern California by the beach the temperature stays between 75-85 degrees and on really hot days it goes up to 100degrees. So will I have problems with the mags of M1's if I play with those temps?
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Post by 2nd Bat on Aug 15, 2006 0:49:29 GMT -5
All gas guns are effected by temperatures. They don't have as much power when temperatures are cooler and they shoot "hotter" as temepratures rise. Because it varies as the day progresses and the gun cools as you shoot it more rapidly the consistency of the shots varies widely. Hop up which exerts back spin on the BB has to be fiddled with regularly on a gas gun to keep them firing accurately as the day wears on. Just one of many challenges with gas guns. The jouels rate (amount of power exerted for various weights and caliber of BBs can be calculated to establish whats a comprable power rating for the various Bbs at various FPS. The carbine has plenty of power and competes just fine against upgraded AEGs albeit with a lower rate of fire.
I expect unfortunately that the M2 will have totally different magazines and because it will probably be a gas blow back design (along with it's semi automatic feature) it will probably have less power then the current M1 Carbine as some of that gas will divert energy toward the semi auto feature. It's the reason the Marushin M1 garand is less powerful then the Carbine.
Gas guns make a cooler sound and with the blow back features have more realistic action which is neat but in my book they are just too big of a pain in the butt on an airsoft skirmish field.
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Post by dualdragons on Aug 15, 2006 1:42:53 GMT -5
I agree. Too bad that its GBB.
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Post by kellhound on Sept 11, 2006 13:41:40 GMT -5
M2 is suposedly out this month.
And the importer for Spain assured me mags would be compatible, but only to use old ones in the M2, not the other way around.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Sept 11, 2006 15:31:43 GMT -5
That will be great news indeed. Typically however it is the gas blow back aspect of the gun that requires the less powerful R-134 gas rather then green gas so expect this new variation (if GBB) to use the less powerful gas and hence be somewhat less powerful. (perfectly appropriate for a carbine and in my book the semi auto nature will more then make up for it.
I'd probably the exception here but I'd love it if it was semi auto and NOT GBB for the added reliability, improved consistency and probably better affordability. Any way it comes out I'm all over this gun and it will be added to my arsenal.
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