jaeger
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Post by jaeger on Feb 16, 2007 12:13:54 GMT -5
Hey guys,
This is kind of a random question, but could someone please tell me the length of an AGM MP40 mag please. Need to know if they'll fit in my pouch. Thanks!
Nick
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Post by 2nd Bat on Feb 16, 2007 13:59:57 GMT -5
9 and 3/8th of an inch.
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jaeger
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Post by jaeger on Feb 16, 2007 14:35:03 GMT -5
Thanks alot! I found out my mag pouches are too small. I guess that's part of the risk.
Nick
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Post by binarypunisher on Feb 16, 2007 15:37:36 GMT -5
What kind of pouch are you using?
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Post by jaeger on Feb 16, 2007 18:22:46 GMT -5
Here is what happened: I recently purchased a "supposedly" original issue set of mp40 mag pouches off of EBAY. The notion of them being original really didn't matter too much to me, but the price seemed ok. Plus the used look appealed to me. While the ad did not specifically identify them as MP40 mag pouches, the picture and general appearance of the mags just made me assume they were. After all, the seller listed them with an MP40 and even a clip in the background (see linked picture). They came quickly and looked fine until I decided to take a closer look. They are very strange, because they appear a bit smaller than what I expected. I mean they look almost correct and the hardware/leather looks right, but the actual pouches appear to be too short. So I decided to measure how long the clip would need to be, because it seemed like the clip would have to be somewhat shorter than what I thought an MP40 mag is. I even took a mag from my Double Eagle springer (whicht is longer than the normal MP40 mags), and saw that it was far too long. I measured that the mag would have to be around 20 cm to fit the pouches. My double eagle mag was around 24-25 cm. I assume then that the AGM mags would be around 3-4 cm too long. As a result, I will not be able to close the pouches. I will email the guy back, but he strictly said no returns, so I'll probably have to customize them to fit. I guess it's partly my fault, but from my perspective, his sly tactics were a very deceptive thing to do. Down right nasty almost. Unless, of course, these mags are for some other type of german weapon, that I have never seen before (highly doubt it). Maybe they were just a manufacturing error or something as well. One last thing to note is that the leather of one of the pouches was marked TWH and the actual backs of the mags are very strange. Instead of the normal 2 slot slanted leather belt loops, there are four horizontal leather belt loops on each pouch. Does anyone have any idea what I ended up with here? Just curious. i140.photobucket.com/albums/r35/Jaeger03/pouches.jpgNick |
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Post by twotypes on Feb 16, 2007 19:20:39 GMT -5
I can't help identify what you have, but I just measured my AGM mag and it's 23.5 cms in length. The easiest modification I can think of would be to cut new holes in the leather straps where the buttons would fit through them while an MP-40 mag is fitted, assuming there's enough length.
But before you start cutting, I'd sure like to get a firm ID on what those are pouches are actually used for. I'd hate to destroy something valuable simply out of ignorance.
Cheers!
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Post by binarypunisher on Feb 16, 2007 19:23:13 GMT -5
They look too wide, and too short to be for an MP40. Have you left any feedback on the guy? If you havent, dont do it yet. Email the guy, tell him you dont think they are for MP40 magazines, and ask where he got them - and what makes him believe they are 'original'. Are there any stampings, or dates on the pouches? Might think of posting them up here: www.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/index.phpAnd see what people think as well. |
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Post by jaeger on Feb 16, 2007 21:26:29 GMT -5
Thanks alot for the info guys. I am going to email the guy tonight, but I am quite sure he will refuse to answer me. We'll see. Plus, I have not left feedback for him yet either. I am still quite curious as to what it is about these mags/why they are different. I can take a few more pics. They both have stampings. The older and more beat up one has stamped writing on the center back and the newer looking one has a TWH stamped right on the leather as well as a rectangular stamp on the inside of the center flap. The only problem is that I can't make them out seeing as they are so worn. As far as the size, what is strange is that they look alot like real mag pouches (even the straps/circular metal knobs), but when compared to normal pouches like these: www.classicfirearms.co.uk/mp40mags.htmlone can see that the distance between the leather bands and the bottom of the mag pouch is much greater in the normal mag pouches. Just compare the picture of mine posted above and this pair. Seeing as I don't have an AGM MP40 yet, I feel comfortable with waiting to find out what the pouches are. If they are not valuable/too old, then I am sure I can customize them to give me something to kick around and use for a while for my mags (when I get them). I may also try and post about them at wehrmacht-awards. Thanks! Nick |
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Post by jaeger on Feb 17, 2007 0:57:27 GMT -5
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Post by Jager.Drü on Feb 17, 2007 13:13:54 GMT -5
those are the pouches you got? One is beat to hell and the other is clean. I don't think those are orignal, you might have got duped. I seems to me he beat one up and ran out of time to do the other.
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Post by Cpl. Hicks on Feb 17, 2007 13:17:17 GMT -5
They seem too short to me also.
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Post by jaeger on Feb 17, 2007 14:53:29 GMT -5
Well, I can tell you that the one pouch that is "beat to hell" was not done purposefully. It really is aged. The wearing looks to have occured over time from someone opening and closing the flaps. The leather is worn down from being used over and over again (or so it appears to the best of my knowledge). At least it appears this way to me: i140.photobucket.com/albums/r35/Jaeger03/12.jpgI guess in a way you could say I got duped, but that is not such a huge concern for me seeing as I didn't pay so much for them and it wouldn't be so hard to customize them just a bit to make them work. Just curious as to what they are before I proceed. I never saw anything like them before, that's all. It also looks like the guy probably won't email me back. I'll wait a day and then leave feedback I think. |
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Post by Ripper on Feb 17, 2007 16:45:50 GMT -5
Those are early pattern MP5 pouches. The first generation MP5 mags were straight instead of the curved version that is more often seen today. These pouches are pretty common and relatively cheap. www.ammoclip.com/H/HK_94_mp5.htm |
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Post by Cpl. Hicks on Feb 17, 2007 16:48:50 GMT -5
Well maybe you own an mp5 you can use them with.  |
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Post by Jager.Drü on Feb 17, 2007 16:51:23 GMT -5
Nice find, Ripper.
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jaeger
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Post by jaeger on Feb 17, 2007 17:14:18 GMT -5
Thanks SOOO much ripper. At wehrmacht-awards I also just now found a similar pouch: www.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=110186&highlight=mp40+pouch I want to say thanks again, because I can at least sleep better at night knowing what I have here. Never knew that MP5 mags used to be straight. So it looks like these are from the 60's or 70's. Funny how they used similar hardware, design, etc. I guess that's true for alot of post-war equipment. I should have little problems just modding these to be able to fit a few mp40 mags. Thanks again! Nick |
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Post by Ripper on Feb 17, 2007 17:20:23 GMT -5
No problem. Several guys in our organization use those for airsofting with their uzi and MP5 mags.
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