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Post by 2ndranger on Feb 21, 2007 20:44:38 GMT -5
Hey all Ive been workin on this things but does anyone know of anyplace I can find some durable tires to hold up a metal Pak 38 air cannon? Also Im working on a projectile, could it be a tennis ball peeled like a orange then lightly taped, filled with pellets and powder? Please let me know Ideas thanks very much.
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Post by jaeger on Feb 21, 2007 21:27:03 GMT -5
That is a really good question. From what I remember, the tires/wheels were circular with spokes and the actual tires were solid rubber. I'll try to think about where...
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Post by Russianboy on Feb 21, 2007 21:31:26 GMT -5
Mini nerf foot ball. I think they all in the vortex or some tihng like that... Also the nerf "balls" the ball bearings will also work... There a tad cheaper but dont go as far.
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Post by TommyGunner on Feb 21, 2007 23:15:33 GMT -5
Nerf balls wont work because you cant aim this thing at a person with a solid projectile (it should not be aimed at a person for that matter just does not seem safe), I would say a small bag of flower, shure people will get covered in flower but it brushes off. Or something that would, after making cotact with the ground, produce a simulated shrapnal effect, the projectile also has to be made so that if it comes into contact with a person accedentally there wont be any harm.
After jumping the hurdle with actually building the cannon, which it seems you have, the next problem does lie in creating a viable projectile to work in the same fashion as a reall shell would have.
Good luck with that, I can only come up with the flower bag idea.
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Post by spitfire740 on Feb 21, 2007 23:50:02 GMT -5
I still like the popcorn kernals suggestion. It won't kill you if you get hit head on by them, and it won't make a mess like the flour. Just finding a way for it to break easily on the tree line is the problem, otherwise the kernals could go everywhere (out of battle area).
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Post by Russianboy on Feb 22, 2007 0:03:22 GMT -5
Your going be be shooting people with this? I was thinking this was a anti-tank/building...
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Post by Jager.Drü on Feb 22, 2007 1:04:51 GMT -5
Spoked garden wheels, the first paks had them. If you wanted to get real fancy you could stretch a bike tire over them.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Feb 22, 2007 1:38:10 GMT -5
Another thought is the migit spares from imprt trucks. (Wrecking yards for real cheap) They are solid sided with very low profile tires and look very much like the wheels from the small 37mm AT gun Germany used. We used the garden spoked wheels on our PAK 40 which came out pretty good. We doubled them up so their were four wheels total (Doolied together) It looks pretty darn good. Schimitty and Hellmutt made it.
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Post by CharleyNovember on Feb 22, 2007 8:17:28 GMT -5
Indirect fire from nerf footballs maybe even tennisballs should not hurt anyone. Another words shot up mortar style and allowed to land and have a blast radius. Direct fire will hurt someone and I would suggest against it.
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Post by Obergefreiter Raimund on Feb 22, 2007 9:01:28 GMT -5
My team has working Pak-38 air cannon. We used water balloons in a sabot. The sabot is needed so that the balloon does not explode when in the barrel. The sabots are retrievable and the water balloon makes a simulated explosion upon impact. They are safe enough that if you hit a person, they simply get wet.
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Post by jaeger on Feb 22, 2007 12:06:10 GMT -5
Well, what about Spitfire's idea about popcorn kernals? I am assuming that since this is a connon, we will be doing indirect fire. The shots will be arching as opposed to direct on. Considering the amount of trees present as well as the amount of power required to launch a projectile/projectiles, what kind of speed/distance are we realistically looking to achieve? How strong is this thing? If it is not extremely strong, then an arked shot with small projectiles (i.e. kernals or airsoft BB's) seems like it would work to me. They would leave little mess (especially the kernals..except for a corn field next year) and would probably not hurt since they would be raining down on a specified area as opposed to a direct on shot. Also, 2nd Bat, do you have any pics that Schutze could work off of?
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Post by 2nd Bat on Feb 22, 2007 18:48:44 GMT -5
Look at the thread in West Coast Discussion on both the Carentan event and the Gothic line several pictures of the Pak 40 we used. The launch system is illustrated pretty well in the video threads from Long winter though demonstrated in the 90mm "Bazooka" The ball valve CO2 shells are the same. They fire a nerf rocket roughly 135 yards and will fire hundreds of BBs or popcorn kernels probably 60 yerads. I wouldn't use them in a direct fire role as they would peel your clothes off if they hit you up close.
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Post by 2ndranger on Feb 22, 2007 18:56:49 GMT -5
2ndbat do you have a link? Id like to use Co2 cartridges, but I wand to keep realism...though that can inhance my shell idea...
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Post by Jager.Drü on Feb 22, 2007 23:16:33 GMT -5
I already posted it on the 9th SS board. That is the Pak40 he is talking about.
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Post by 2ndranger on Feb 23, 2007 16:55:04 GMT -5
Thanks Jager dru, this will be as accurate as possible, Size, weight and looks. It will not be fired indirectly we will use a water balloon filled with pellets and some dirt. Then for smoke screens Im gonna have my bro rig a smoke grenade that wont go out when fired then use that. Thanks all.
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Post by Capt. Zak on Feb 23, 2007 17:32:32 GMT -5
We can use this as a prop at our 11.SS reenactments as well Frank. I am building some hedge hogs so the PAK will be a GREAT addition.
How detailed will the workings of the gun be?
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Post by 2ndranger on Feb 23, 2007 23:58:09 GMT -5
Well if we can get it to correct size we can weld extra knobs and such, though the thing is I cant find Blueprints on the real one. Also if it is too small we can say it is a captured french Artillery piece or something along those lines. I looked for tires but I dont know what size the wheels have to be? Anyone have a link or something that I can use as them? Oy vey this is harder work than making the actual gun! Thanks all.
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Post by Ripper on Feb 24, 2007 13:01:16 GMT -5
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Post by lollipops hunter33 on Mar 1, 2007 0:57:49 GMT -5
My team has working Pak-38 air cannon. We used water balloons in a sabot. The sabot is needed so that the balloon does not explode when in the barrel. The sabots are retrievable and the water balloon makes a simulated explosion upon impact. They are safe enough that if you hit a person, they simply get wet. I suggest this, but add some BBs in there for the shrapnel effect. I used them in mortar and it ruled. |
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Post by biged on Mar 1, 2007 5:29:44 GMT -5
This one showed up at the field last summer.  This is a reenactment PAK. Has gas lines feed into it. Then touched-off by a breakopen single shot shotgun receiver - firing blanks. If you look closely you can see the what's left of the shotgun sticking out of the breech. VERY LOUD... I figured it's a good reference pic. ///ed/// |
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Post by Jager.Drü on Mar 1, 2007 10:00:23 GMT -5
Very cool picture, Biged, I think the breech will be the hardest this to recreate.
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Post by Capt. Zak on Mar 4, 2007 8:20:32 GMT -5
The best thing to do is pick up a 1:35 scale model of the PAK you are building, take all the measurements and scale it up to 1:1. Take your time and don't rush. I would rather have a PAK 38 than a "French Artillery" piece.  |
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Post by 2ndranger on Mar 4, 2007 11:40:01 GMT -5
LOL ok will do, I currently found a pak 38 model so its perfect. Thanks all
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