Browning M1919 30 Caliber Machinegun

[killbucket]

We have decided to discontinue the non-working guns and pattern kits. From 5/22/07 on, we will no long offer these items, and focus completely on the working gun lines, and the ammo drive units.

There is no way to express my deep appreciation for you all. 2ndBat, there's a warm spot in Valhalla waiting. Your suggestions and guidance have proved to be golden.

My hosting company was impressed that I was able to bring their system down, they doubled my available bandwidth to help avoid a re-occurrence.

The new ammo drive, finished product shot:

Comes with and fits into, a real 200-round 7.62mm (.30 cal) ammo can. Note the greatly simplified wiring. Red and black go into your gun and hook to the gun's stock battery connector. Yellow goes to a switch, and is connected to black when ammo drive is to run. Very easy to retrofit to about anything out there.

The watercooled gun with the 18k plating done. We removed the M14, and here it will rest. Great conversation piece, huh?

[2nd Bat]

This speed loader product is itself a real viable stand alone product and right in line with what it should sell for. The design is awesome and every bit as functional and far more robust then others at or around that price range. I bet your busy as a two peckered goat! Killbucket I am a fan. Nice effort and thanks for all the help and your contribution to historic airsoft.

[2nd Bat]

Incidently I angled my feed tray BB reservoir box slightly so it funnels toward the cut opening in the top of my M-14 mag. It reduces somewhat the capacity but should make it function a bit smoother. I also lined the BB tray in thin foam along the sides and top to reduce noise during movement. It again reduces the capacity a bit (still a huge capacity of BBs) but improves the tactical aspects of the device. This is an easy adaptation that any of your customers can apply themselves.

I'm still working on my Bipod arrangement for an M1919A6 variation which I'm sure you're going to want to add at some point down the road. I don't want to pay $100.00 for the removable stock so I'll make one myself.

[killbucket]

We're going to re-use the M14 stocks to build a "Stinger" type weapon. It will be a "tribute" to the originals, but most importantly, it will be the self-contained, carry-about gun airsofters need. And it will be oh so unique on the field. Not just another A6!

On the ammodrive, the included servo is about 50% faster than the one we ran our base tests on. You will not find a gun that can out-run it. If you can, I want to see it!

45 seconds at ten yards:


NOTE ON SAFETY:
Please use your head when firing on living things with my guns. They will do to you what they did to those hapless roses. the cumulative hits do very real damage.

[TommyGunner]

Lets see a full side profile shot of your water cooled version, I cant say for shure if the water jacket is too small, it looks a bit long though.

TommyGunner

[killbucket]

Whether or not it's correct, it is selling like mad. Too late to change it!

If we can find the ACTUAL dimensions, we may be able to match them. The M14 needs the length, its barrel is less than two inches from the muzzle.

And get this- Guns are being ordered with spade grips almost exclusively. Historical correctness aside, this is what the market wants.
And since the gun is modular (it can be field-stripped, and swapped air or water, pistol or spade, with no tools whatsoever), we are seeing orders for the alternate barrels and grips, all in one package. So we will add that as an option very soon.

[TommyGunner]

I think the length is fine now that you have said the M-14 barrel is that long, what you should do though is get a larger diameter peice of PVC tubing for the water jacket, see how oversized looking this is on the reall M1917.



Do you think you will also be offering this tripod for the M1917 pictured here also. Oh and I love the fact that you designed it to be field stripped without tools, when I buy this from you I will alo buy the spade grip and 30cal 1919 version barrel to swap out.

TommyGunner

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I am sure alot of people enjoy this thread, I certainly do, killubkcet your work is inspiring. Would It be ok If we make a continued version of this thread like a Part II? It is getting kind of long.

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[killbucket]

Yes, I agree.
Again, words do not convey. Thanks for the soapbox here.

I have sketched that tripod mount, but time isn't available to develop it at the moment. We have a bunch of guns to get out. The initial wave of orders will pass, and I'll get on to even more fun stuff. We want to fully flesh out a 1917 model.
Considering so many different variations of the water jacket existed, I don't think it would hurt to go up a size. At worst, it will be more menacing looking.

[biged]

The original 1917 browning specs show the water jacket diameter at 4.625 inches (4-5/8ths).
There are differences between the 1917/1928 and 1919 guns. The top cover, top plate latch, trunion, and rear sights are different. Some 1917's also had a reinforcing stirrup installed in WW1.

Almost all of the 1917 models were cut-up and sold for scrap in th 50's. (That is sad...) Argentina ended up with the rest of the water cooled guns. Recently the 1928 tripods have been sold back to the US and can be found for $200-$900 depending on condition.

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[killbucket]

Great info!
Pictures of the 1917's were elusive, now I know why. They got scrapped before everybody got convenient cameras!
I suppose I shouldn't worry too much about historical accuracy. Customers overwhelmingly have ordered spade grips on their guns, regardless of model.
I have 4.5" cellular-core tubing available, we will switch up the parts. Thanks! This will look even better!
I've seen the stirrup you write of. I surmise there was a cracking problem of some type.
It appears the sights sat on top of a large block, to clear the barrel top? I have the actual NOS sights here, I have got to find them so our forum Sightmaker can have the specs...
I've devised a way to make the cone flash hider, just have to test it out in reality. The CAD program says it will work, but it isn't always correct.

We have decided to produce the "Stinger" gun as a production model. It will have a special shortened aircraft M2-style barrel with bipod mount, and use the M14 in a nearly unaltered state, except for a hidden, 10,000-round ammo supply and topfeed hop system. Because the original utilized an aircraft gun that dwarfed the 1919, we will be using the sideplates from the M2 instead. The gun will be massive, but pleasantly portable.

In the future we may do a tripod-mounted M2, but that idea effectively dies now. The Stinger IS our M2.

[biged]

Even 5" PVC would look fine, it really depends on how authentic you want to get. The numerous steam chests, ammo boxes, leather water funnels, and covers will drive a collector nuts.

More pics of the 1917 and it's interesting history.
browningmgs.com/Colt1928/1917.htm

It's counterpart the M35 tripod aka the 1928 tripod.
browningmgs.com/Colt1928/01_Mounts.htm

I only know of a handful of fabricators who sucessfully replicated the steel version. Their summery was: "It's cheaper to buy a real one.". The M35 was WAY over engineered and beautifully manufactured. Which is why they were still in use only until a few years ago.

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[killbucket]

Ok, a customer has pointed out that I have erroneously id'd the M2 that was the Stinger....Gotta get my wayback adjusted.
I have started a "Browning M1919 .30... continued thread.
This thread stops here, Gordak, The keys, please?
3.4k reads. YeeHaw.

[kellhound]

Man, you are making me start saving for one.