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Post by Guinness on Oct 23, 2007 10:03:28 GMT -5
Ya wanna know what the Interwebs was really invented for? -settling bar bets  So with that in mind, which one of these do you guys feel looks better?  Cushman 'wrap' kit   Warren's (Shoot-n-Scoot) kit for CA33e |
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Post by CharleyNovember on Oct 23, 2007 11:36:50 GMT -5
S&S
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Post by Capt. Zak on Oct 23, 2007 12:08:26 GMT -5
S&S Hands down!
The Cushman kit looks "cartoonish" to me.
Is that the AK conversion kit just on a CA33e or is it a kit specifically for the CA33e?
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Post by Guinness on Oct 23, 2007 12:14:24 GMT -5
S&S Hands down! The Cushman kit looks "cartoonish" to me. Is that the AK conversion kit just on a CA33e or is it a kit specifically for the CA33e? Not exactly sure, hopefully our friend Warren will chime in and advise. |
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Post by ukkolzi on Oct 23, 2007 13:20:28 GMT -5
The S&S seems to be much better made, but the rear part is a plain CA33(G3). Cushman kit is overall much more realistic from the outlines, but looks very rough. Could look fine from a distance, though.
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Post by TommyGunner on Oct 23, 2007 13:56:15 GMT -5
I have the Cushman BAR on order for my AEG BAR I am building, and I can report back to you all as to the overall detail of on the BAR. I would assume the STG44 would be of the same quality as the BAR.
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Post by CharleyNovember on Oct 23, 2007 14:00:49 GMT -5
I have the Cushman MG 42 and .30( ordered just before Killbucket came out with his DOH!!!) They are unimpressive for the money you plop down for one. I am hoping Gryphon might start making fiberglass Stg frontends he had mentioned.
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Post by jd7 on Oct 23, 2007 16:33:54 GMT -5
Actually the CA-33 frontend from S&S is custom for that rifle - I have one.
If you look at the first example of the S&S it has StG buttstock and grips, some remodeling around the trigger and fire selector. it still has the CA33 stock adapter.
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Post by savoy6 on Oct 27, 2007 19:38:32 GMT -5
yeah, the front end of the s&s kit looks pretty good....you just need the wood grip and stock. though there would be some differences it would be damn close..
dan ,haven't i been saying the g33 is the gun for a Stg44 conversion all along?...lol...
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Post by Guinness on Oct 27, 2007 21:07:19 GMT -5
Yes, yes you have Hey speaking of something you have been saying all along.... Any chance you would be willing to post 'how-to' pics of the work you did on the Nebelwerfer? I know we would all love to see how you did it! In a separate thread of course  ....yeah, that segue was lame but it was all I had |
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Post by CharleyNovember on Oct 27, 2007 21:50:33 GMT -5
John~ We were all in agreement long ago about the CA33 vs the AK...One of the reasons I bought a CA33 almost as soon as they came out. |
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Post by click on Oct 27, 2007 23:41:28 GMT -5
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Post by alban on Oct 28, 2007 0:08:19 GMT -5
How much is the S&S kit anyways?
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Post by Guinness on Oct 30, 2007 20:14:59 GMT -5
I've asked Warren a few times, I still don't know  |
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Post by Cpl. Hicks on Oct 30, 2007 21:57:52 GMT -5
S&S looks a lot better. |
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Post by p40warhawk on Nov 22, 2007 12:21:40 GMT -5
Now I know this is going to be controversial..... I actually like the Cushman one. Instead of paying a grand for an actual airsoft or to pay for an MP5 with a fake front end I would rather have the Cushman. However there is no way I would use it as is. First I would cut all the fake wood off and carve real wood parts. Then I would use some of my scale modeling skills and some styrene to fix/add some details. I would also strengthen the plastic and sand some of it to make the lines more crisp. Total cash? Cost of gun internals+cost of styrene/wood+cushman kit. And I get my gun. I know that a lot of people just HATE cushman, but I think they are just diamonds in the rough.
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Post by Guinness on Nov 22, 2007 12:29:33 GMT -5
I just don't understand how we can be soooo 'fanatical' about the detail of uniform to the point of almost getting into fistfights sometimes in the Allied or Axis Impression sections regarding this pair of boots or strap or helmet logo or whatever the heck it is, And then be willing to accept something that honestly looks like exactly what it is. A vacuum molded plastic shell. That is a puzzler. We are allowing our long time member Tommygunner to show us what he can do with the Cushman BAR for two reasons. A) Because he's a great guy and a talented modelmaker and he could just pull something amazing out of his hat. B) Becasue I honestly expect that once and for all regardless of Tommy's best efforts..... It will still be a Styrene shell. ...The best looking styrene shell available, but none the less  What we are not going to do is lessen the standards of quality impression and weapons here as a result of folks wanting to 'do it on the cheap' or let WW2AA standards erode into 'half-assed' or "Flaggrantly Wrong" efforts on quality WW2 kit or impressions. Gryphon has shown that a high dollar budget is not necessary to create a weapons system that has a very accurate look and feel. A little effort and imagination goes a long long way. But that 'imagination' can't be substituted with a "If you squint and hold the gun at this angle,....it kinda looks right" farb-rication. Slainte! |
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Post by Sgt_Tom on Dec 1, 2007 16:22:40 GMT -5
I just can't stand the S&S Handle Trigger Guard and Butt stock. I bet it was allot of money to make that S&S MP44. I am guessing he used allot of real parts. I think some one should mold the metal parts on a MP44 and use metal instead of plastic to put inside it.
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Post by YankeeDiv26 on Dec 1, 2007 16:50:14 GMT -5
You don't like the forward handle? I think its awesome looking. But to each his own.
I don't think the S&S room conversion used any real steel parts, and thats in order to keep the costs relatively low. Real mp44 parts are NOT cheap.
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Post by Sgt_Tom on Dec 1, 2007 17:15:23 GMT -5
I know they aren't cheap. If not real steal parts then what did he use?
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Post by slick63 on Dec 1, 2007 17:44:02 GMT -5
He has casts made from the originals, the laws regarding real parts over here in the UK are very strict unfortunately. If you want to contact Warren his email is info@shootnscoot.co.uk  |
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Post by click on Dec 1, 2007 23:35:45 GMT -5
You don't like the forward handle? I think its awesome looking. But to each his own. I don't think the S&S room conversion used any real steel parts, and thats in order to keep the costs relatively low. Real mp44 parts are NOT cheap. Especially in England where Warren is based. The guns being kinda illegal makes it difficult too. So he has to work around that. Click |
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Post by neillblume on Jan 5, 2008 13:11:29 GMT -5
Hi Guys the mp44 against the wooden floor is mine, the only bit that warren makes is the frontend - he makes it with resin moulded from an original its really nice and has the shroud around the mag well as well. I made the trigger guard look a little better by shaping some plastic card and filling it with fibre glass around the original trigger guard. Warrens front end is a little chunky bet i will be sorting that soon. also being a mould it lacks a little definition. If you look at ww2airsoft.org.uk you will see that a user called Old 'Un has solved this by getting a real steel MP44 handguard.
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Post by sniper on Jan 7, 2008 21:53:39 GMT -5
I think that with some work and a nice paint job the the cushman kits could be very nice looking. I think this and there MG42 might be used until a cheeper airsoft version is made avalible.
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Post by TommyGunner on Jan 7, 2008 21:58:14 GMT -5
Trust me when I say that it is (possible) but extreamly, extreamly, difficult infact almost not worth it if you dont have the drive. I am building a Cushman AEG BAR and while I do not doubt for a minuet as to the highquality of my final product I doubt how easy it will be for others. I say wait till an affordable version comes out.
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Post by YankeeDiv26 on Jan 7, 2008 23:30:13 GMT -5
...or just send it to your local professional modeler who slaves over a cushman BAR (which is really looking good btw) In my opinion the cushman gun's do have potential. I mean that is in they have the potential to be catostrophic meltdowns (quite literally) or the potential to look decent. It's all a matter of skill and effort to see which one it will end up as. |
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