B.A.R Conversion

[Sgt_Tom]

I am making a B.A.R Conversion out of a M4 Carbine, sheet metal and wood and Pipes. Well I started this thread because mischief and YankeeDiv26 were curious about my conversion and were getting off topic on a thread. Well it is different then any other conversion I will use all fake parts made by me. I think I can make it look accurate and real. I will get measure ments from a real B.A.R. Here are some M4's I am thinking on getting www.hobbytron.com/AirsoftM4.html Also if any of you know of a AEG M16 under 100$ tell me

[YankeeDiv26]

I still don't see why not to use an m14 gear box. All I can say is good luck.

[airsoftaddict]

www.pointact.com/prod_JG6607_583_29.html

[Sgt_Tom]

I don't see why you think an M14 would work better then an M16 or M4. Thanks for the link airsoftaddict it just might work. Here is a Gear box to a M16 Airsoft AEG www.pointact.com/prod_BOX-JGM4_720_34.html

[sharpshooter]

With the position of the motor and the size of the actual gear box your gonna have a hell of time working it into an accurate looking B.A.R. body. And remember ANY conversion needs much time and attention to small detail, maintain patience and don't easily get discouraged.
The m14 is cheap and would work MUCH better because of the size, shape, position of the motor and lack of the pistol grip, besides, m4's under 100 usually suck, Like my r6. Just my two cents...

[Sgt_Tom]

Actually I will probably get an M14 if the gear box works. I also want the receiver for a dummy M1 Garand.

[sharpshooter]

[YankeeDiv26]

The reciever for an airsoft m14 is not the same as one for a garand. If you planned to make a dummy gun for one, you might as well get a resin one or whatnot.

[Sgt_Tom]

I know it is similar and can be converted. If I am going to buy an M14 just to use the gear box I mines well put the rest of the gun to use. Also a resin one doesn't have moving parts like mine will. It's just going to be for my little brother not reenacting it doesn't have to be exact.

[Sgt_Tom]

I am planning on making these B.A.R. conversions: You send me your M14 and I'll use the gearbox for the M14 . First two people to do it get the conversion for free. Bipods are an extra 25$. I am going to keep the extra parts of the M14 that are not used on the conversion for the first two people who do this. I am not doing this yet but in the future. First I will build the body of the gun and post pictures. I am getting exact measurements from a real B.A.R.

[Nimlas]

Any qualifications?
Ever done this type of thing before?
I'd be damn sure of your abilities before you take someones money and gun.

[2nd Bat]

Sgttom you have no clue what an adventure this is do you? I love your enthusiasm but combined with your naivete and obvious lack of resources or experience, it is frankly annoying. Please do all of us a huge favor and save all commentary until you have something in the way of finished results to share.

You are either very, very, young or simply don't know, what you don't know. I wish you all the best and hope you end up making me eat my words by revealing an enormously successful end result. (I won't hold my breath) These projects are far, far more difficult then they appear at first glance. Some amazing efforts have been extended by members of this site and they are extremely encouraging. Study their progress and learn all you can about how to attempt these efforts and this will either clue you in on whether or not you should proceed.

I hate seeing the boards filled with "Here's what I'm going to do..." until they can be backed up with some level of credibility.

[Tough Ombre]

Hey, i gotta say the kid has B@lls, i haven't even attempted a BAR as of yet.

I will say though that in reality 2nd bat is right. But hey, what can i say give it a shot. Whats the worst that can happen. You fail? Which i would say, I would MUCH rather see you fail then not even try at all.

Thats how the whole world revolves, people trying things though, a lot of them fail some still succeed. But their failures help to teach others. So if you do try this i would suggest posting pictures, and instead of saying... "here... buy my product, it looks like applesauce but its a BAR".. tell people... "ya, I tried making a BAR, and I failed ( If indeed you do fail) but im posting these pictures so you all know what NOT to do, or how to fix my mistakes in your own project. "

I dont know if a word i just typed makes on lick of sense.

-Cary

[Guinness]

I'm moving this to 'Technical' as this is not a gun review...

[TommyGunner]

Ill just tell you that making a BAR is really difficult. While I am fully confident in my abilities to build mine it is starting to show its enourmous teeth. I mean this project is huge and the BAR is a bear to build regardless of what things you use to build it with. Be it a resin replica, a Cushman kit, reall steel parts or fabricated by yourself its one hell of an undertaking.

I say show us a finished product and then start posting on possible sales of the conversion kit. I can say that not even mine that Im building would be possible to sell, simply becuase of the extream amount of work involved (and with stryeen being such an easy medium to work with even) Sometimes we can get excited and jump into something that we think we can do only to find out that damn...its too much or that we dont have the means to actually pull off the project. I say go for it and try to build the gun, but its not too good of an idea to jump into an "Im gonna sell this" before a prototypes done or pics are up.

just my .02 cents

TommyGunner

[YankeeDiv26]

2ndbat said:

Sgttom you have no clue what an adventure this is do you? I love your enthusiasm but combined with your naivete and obvious lack of resources or experience it is frankly annoying. Please do all of us a huge favor and save all commentary until you have something in the way of finished results to share.

You are either very very young or simply don't know what you don't know. I wish you all the best and hope you end up making me eat my words by revealing an enormously successful end result. (I won;t hold my breath) These projects are far far more difficult then they appear at first glance. Some amazing efforst have been extended by members of this site and it is extremely encouraging. Study their progress and learn all you can about how to attempt these efforts and this will either clue you in on weather or not you should proceed or not.

I hate seeing the boards filled with "Here's what I'm going to do..." until they can be backed up with some level of credibility.

Pretty much sums up how I feel.

Sgttom, you are by no means even PREPARED to START working on these "B.A.R. Conversions", not even a prototype. Why should you be TAKING peoples money and guns for them yet? I could go on and on about this "project", your "progress", and all other things related to you and this project. Frankly, it doesn't even seem worth it at the moment. How about you take a few steps back, do some ACTUAL work, make some ACTUAL progress, and have an ACTUAL prototype or production model before you ACTUALLY take orders for these.

[Cpl. Hicks]

Please don't use other people's guns as guinea pigs

[gryphon]

Sgttom, scratch-building is fun, but if you intend to do a replica rather than a free-form "Special," there is homework to be done first. To start, make a full-scale drawing of a BAR with both side views, as well as a bottom and top view, with dimensions taken from a real steel BAR if at all possible. I do mine on taped-together sheets of 11x17 drafting vellum with 1/8" grid squares. Once you have prepared the drawing of the gun, you need to do the same sort of drawings for whatever gearbox/battery and barrel/hop-up combo you will be using so you can superimpose the drawings and figure out how the internals will all fit ( a lightbox is nice if you have access, so is doing the whole thing in AUTOCAD.) Once you do this critical first step, you will begin to realize the scope of your proposed project and will be able to ask the sorts of questions that would allow us to help. Knowing HOW the parts will fit together and attach to each other BEFORE you try to make them is REALLY REALLY important....

[dave]

Um guys he said ''I'm [glow=red,2,300]planning[/glow] on making these conversions''. He won't make or sell any until after Christmas. First he will post pics, the if you guys like it he might sell it. He needs some measurements from a real one if you could give him some. Are Cushman's a reliable source for measurements? How do I know all this you ask, well I am after all his brother ;D.

[YankeeDiv26]

dave said:

Are Cushman's a reliable source for measurements?

For exact measurements I doubt it, the cushman resin BAR's seem somewhat cartoon'ish. Use a real BAR for measurements if you can, that way you know it will be correct.

Dave, I think the problem everybody is having with your brother's(sgttom's) conversions is that he has really made 0 progress he can show for, yet he feels he can start taking orders for it. Last time I checked, thats not a good business philosophy.

[dave]

He's not taking any orders, just planning on it. I guess he should of made that more clear from the beginning.

[gryphon]

Like I said, locate a real one, take measurements and photos, and do a set of full-scale drawings. Forget about this other stuff until this is done.

As a general rule, I usually don't even announce a scratch-build project on any forum before tooling is underway; often, I wait until a prototype is complete. This policy can prevent misunderstandings.

[dave]

Thats a good rule.

[Sgt_Tom]

I don't know where to get measurements. I have no places where I can get them.

[DeB]

you could ask to someone that has the real thing, find some photos and with proportions you can have all the measures you need.
I have done in his way for my g43 and I have good enough measures.

As someone others said try to draw the project on 2D or better 3D software, there are a lot freeware or trial (Rhino 3d) so you can try if all the things will get together.

And you hould think if it will be cheaper than a VFC (I think yes anyway!).

For my G43 (it is on 3D phase yet) I have taken 3 years to collect photos, measures, ideas about the mech. The first drawings - made by hands on pieces of paper - are dated March 2004...

Anyway you don't have to be discouraged, but you must know what you should do or have (abilities, tools, gearbox and money...).
Bye bye!

[101steasykid]

Gordak has the VFC and Real BAR. Why don't you just PM him for some measurements?

-Michael

[kalbs]

An old thread revised

Attached are links to BAR reciver drawings for those wanting dimensions as requested above

www.pbase.com/kalbs/image/99331754/original.jpg

www.pbase.com/kalbs/image/99332013/original.jpg

[yeno34]

i cant wait to see it when its done

[Sgt_Tom]

I made this thread a long long time ago. I still do plan on making a BAR Conversion from an M14 using Sheet metal and wood. I'll probably attempt to make one this summer but I may not depends if I have the funds and money then. I probably won't sell them though. If I did sell them I'd probably sell them for $500 each and you would get a CYMA M14 Based BAR and one Mag. The front grip would be Wooden, the stock Styrene Plastic, and the rest Steel and aluminum. Its possible I guess. Thanks for the measurements Kalbs they'll come in handy if I make one.