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Post by wade on Nov 30, 2006 20:10:08 GMT -5
www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWBDK_7PkLASorry for the poor quality. My personal favorite is the Designated Sharp Shooter version with the C-mag. Wade's gotta have his firepower! ;D
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Post by Nimlas on Nov 30, 2006 21:23:15 GMT -5
The M4 is dated, but the xm8 is just silly. Not RIS compatible, looks akward to hold, takedown might be a b!tch. Besides, it washed out of testing.
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Post by 101steasykid on Nov 30, 2006 21:28:56 GMT -5
He said, the m14 and m16 are good guns, but they need to move on? The m14 is still active with some re-con snipers in the military. Come to think of it, I think they were still issued to the navy and in late 80's and early 90's. There is nothing wrong with the m16 and m4, you just need to treat well just like any other weapon. "If it ain't broke, don't fix it!"
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Post by Nimlas on Nov 30, 2006 21:44:00 GMT -5
I never said there was anything wrong with the M4, I just said it was dated. I was refering to the silliest gun ever, the XM8. However, the M4 is a very old rifle, its basicly a 60's rifle. I think it might be time to move on, however, the XM8 is NOT the right choice. Thank fully, it washed out of testing, so it doesn't matter! The XM8 got pwnt!
They started re-issuing M14 refitted with kevlar stocks. It's still a good rifle, but the round is a bit large and the barrel a bit long. You see, the army figured out that combat was all about putting lead on target. It's much easier to shoot off 10 rounds of 5.56 is a few seconds than it is big ol 7.62. See that? More lead on target!
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Post by wade on Dec 1, 2006 7:37:23 GMT -5
The XM8 has a R.I.S rail on the bottom of the handguard, if by "takedown", it means field stripping, then it's easy to do as shown in the video, and I do think the M4/M16 family are good guns, but they've been slinging lead down range since the late 1950s. As for the field testing, it was put on hold, long enough for the XM8 to get the kinks worked out of it. I think the XM8 is a good rifle, it just needs the bugs worked out of it. Remember the Army turned down the Tommy Gun at first and look what a success story that was. Just give the XM8 time, it might just become the greatest weapon since the Garand. It's just too soon to tell.
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Post by Jager.Drü on Dec 1, 2006 9:56:06 GMT -5
Just give the XM8 time, it might just become the greatest weapon since the Garand. It's just too soon to tell. I highly doubt that, the XM8 is expensive to produce, takes a ton of training to use it correctly, expensive rounds for it. Not low profile, akward design to hold and use. I could go on I have to leave for school.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Dec 1, 2006 13:46:07 GMT -5
Initially the resurection of the M-14 in military units on contemporary battlefields came about because of the significantly greater engagement ranges encountered on todays US battlefields (especially Afghanistan) where greater accuracy beyond 300 meters became important. The 82nd Abn was the first to add one M-14 to each rifle squad. The 10th Mountain, 101st and 172nd Infantry followed suit.
Currently the troops are appreciating the 7.62mm rounds ability to penetrate mud walls and cinder block structures which the 5.56mm simply won't do. Wood stocks don't handle climate extremes very well so the fiberglass stocks are the norm on todays issue rifles. This dated back to Vietnam but most Marine Corp M-14s were still wood, back in the day. They were the last to use them as part of their primary TO&E.
The M-16 series rifle has been the MBR for longer then any other previous main battle rifle in the history of the US Army. (by far!) Old age doesn't equate to ineffective. The longest serving weapon designs in the US arsenal are the .45 Cal pistol and the M2 heavy .50 Cal MG. (almost 100years!) Both are highly sought after and much appreciated pieces of equipment in Iraq and Afghanistan.
The M-16 is a fine weapon once the teething issues for the rifle and it's ammunition were sorted out. It is significantly less reliable once dirty then the loosely constructed AK which is primarily reliable due to it's poor build tolerances. I react to the XM in the much the way the old dogs reacted to the M-16 back in the day. It's different and fururistic looking and it's unfamiliarity visually is probably a mental block more then anything else. I remebr the nay sayers calling the M-16 the mattey matel wonder claiming it was built by the toy company. The old dogs resisted it vehemently. I liked it right from the start. I hated lugging ammo for the M-14s and the size and weight of the rifle though it did feel like a rifle when you carried and fired it.
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Post by Nimlas on Dec 1, 2006 15:48:07 GMT -5
I'm a big fan of the SCAR series of rifles. -It takes AR mags -Uses existing ammunition -5 different rifles in one -RIS all over -There's a 7.62 version and a 5.56 version "The XM8 has a R.I.S rail on the bottom of the handguard" I really don't think that's enough. What about the lights? The only think you could mount on there would be a surefire weapon light(so you got your verticle forgrip and light). They're alot more expensive than the standard surefires they all use now. and what about the mounting of a grenade laucher? Looks like it'd be a pain to put one on that. I don't know if any of you read Army magazine, but they've got some interesting articles in there on the subject of MBR's and such.
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Post by Jager.Drü on Dec 1, 2006 18:32:38 GMT -5
Doesn't the XM8 have the 20mm "grenade" shooter built in? meh I think those SCAR rifles look tight, the stocks look a little funny but oh well.
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Post by Nimlas on Dec 1, 2006 18:35:02 GMT -5
Doesn't the XM8 have the 20mm "grenade" shooter built in? meh I think those SCAR rifles look tight, the stocks look a little funny but oh well. 20MM? That's for wusses! Gotta be 40MM atleast! ;D
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Post by wade on Dec 1, 2006 19:18:17 GMT -5
Doesn't the XM8 have the 20mm "grenade" shooter built in? No that's the XM29, and it fires 20mm "smart" kinetic rounds, and also 5.56 NATO in the main rifle. (The XM29 not the XM8)
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Post by Jager.Drü on Dec 1, 2006 22:31:27 GMT -5
XM_ _= stupid looking gun
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Post by guitarmaster on Dec 1, 2006 22:43:54 GMT -5
Its a cool gun the XM8. I have an airsoft one and it has a bipod but its not hard to hold and i think it will do good as a assault weapon.
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Post by Jager.Drü on Dec 1, 2006 22:50:24 GMT -5
Just because you have an Airsoft gun doesn't mean you know anything about real steel guns.
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Post by Nimlas on Dec 1, 2006 22:52:14 GMT -5
XM_ _= stupid looking gun Qouted for emphasis. Between me and Drew, we've got the XM8 pwnt.
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Post by Jager.Drü on Dec 1, 2006 22:55:13 GMT -5
Qouted for emphasis Nimlas and I know this is a l33t gun
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Post by guitarmaster on Dec 1, 2006 23:04:55 GMT -5
BUt it is a heavy version its not a light gun.
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Post by Nimlas on Dec 1, 2006 23:11:18 GMT -5
Play nice kitties(Oh jeex, now I sound like Zak! ;D ) The xm8 is silly, we've beaten it to death. Oh and FYI Guitarmaster,The SCAR comes in five configurations, it's a modular system.
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Post by guitarmaster on Dec 1, 2006 23:22:10 GMT -5
I have used it on Ghost Recon and the SCAR is awesome but maybe one like the XM8 for like officers or something.lol.jk.
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Post by wade on Dec 2, 2006 9:14:20 GMT -5
Also in Ghost Recon it fires semi auto only, and on Medal of Honor: Frontline, Patterson steals the HO-IX flying wing. Those games are fiction, and aren't entirely accurate. If you ask me the SCAR looks like an OD MP5 on steroids, but if it's the best weapon for our troops then so be it. I just want what is best for OUR TROOPS be it XM8, XM29, SCAR, M16/M4, or any other gun they come up with. I think we are missing the point about these guns. Let's set aside our personal feelings and ask ourselves what is going to be best for that soldier on the front line.
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