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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2006 23:08:14 GMT -5
its 110 percent authentic and im gonna make one! what do you guys think?
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Post by binarypunisher on Dec 21, 2006 0:45:58 GMT -5
Remove the bipod and it would be lighter..
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Post by YankeeDiv26 on Dec 21, 2006 13:52:30 GMT -5
lol ssshhhuuurrrreeee. where did you find this out book, video, thin air?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2006 14:06:17 GMT -5
my grandpa was a 6 star general, captain airborne he was!
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Post by YankeeDiv26 on Dec 21, 2006 14:38:23 GMT -5
lol sorry. i didnt know you had a papa pershing or grandpa washington
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Post by Capt. Zak on Dec 21, 2006 17:23:27 GMT -5
I'm not even sure para's jumped with BAR's. Oh Gordak...help us out here. I know if they did...they looked nothing like the "picture" above.
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Post by 2ndranger on Dec 21, 2006 18:38:30 GMT -5
Its amazing what people can make in paint...
Schutze
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Post by guitarmaster on Dec 21, 2006 19:47:45 GMT -5
Looks like a combination of M1 Carbine Para Stock and a modern Sniper rifle BIpod.
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Post by 101steasykid on Dec 21, 2006 21:37:41 GMT -5
hrmm, i know that wasnt used, but it looks like something that could be used i saw this, this morning, and i was like wow! the paratroopers used that, and then when i got the crust out of my eyes, i saw the badly drawn folding stock, and like pasted bi-pod. hahaha
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2006 1:00:36 GMT -5
yea i was totally just joking around. very long night one might say.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Dec 22, 2006 22:15:41 GMT -5
Cap Zak as mentioned in another thread the BAR was not part of the Airborne TOE for any unit in WW2. Absolutely no evidence that any para trooper ever jumped with one. I'm sure if they got their hands on one once on the ground they'd put it to use but I've never seen a photo of an airborne soldier in Europe with one.
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Post by polak on Dec 24, 2006 16:57:23 GMT -5
my grandpa was a 6 star general, captain airborne he was! I didn't know Pershing was a paratrooper...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2006 22:39:33 GMT -5
you dont know much then hehe, Actually i was just joking to clear that up in case someone didnt get the message.......!
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Post by nichollas mckenzie on Dec 26, 2006 22:56:03 GMT -5
I'm not even sure para's jumped with BAR's. Oh Gordak...help us out here. I know if they did...they looked nothing like the "picture" above. im not gordak but i do know something. they did jump with BARs but they where diassembled and when they hit the ground they had to assemble them. they had them in three different pouches. to keep the stuff separte.(i read it in a book about WWII guns)
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Post by Nimlas on Dec 26, 2006 23:01:02 GMT -5
I'm not even sure para's jumped with BAR's. Oh Gordak...help us out here. I know if they did...they looked nothing like the "picture" above. im not gordak but i do know something. they did jump with BARs but they where diassembled and when they hit the ground they had to assemble them. they had them in three different pouches. to keep the stuff separte.(i read it in a book about WWII guns) I think you may have gotten the BAR confused with the M1. The M1 was broken down into three parts and put into a Griswold bag. BAR's don't really break down into 3 peices.
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Post by Jager.Drü on Dec 29, 2006 20:39:03 GMT -5
Maybe this is the same kid that thinks you can jump with a fully assembled 1919.
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Post by 101steasykid on Dec 29, 2006 21:04:20 GMT -5
I read that they didn't jump with them on D-Day, but did get them when they met up with other infantry units, downed gliders with BAR's in them, and were issued for a weapon replacement, or traded them during Battle of the Bulge. Also I heard they did jump with them on Market Garden.
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Post by nichollas mckenzie on Dec 31, 2006 11:54:54 GMT -5
i checked out a book on WW2 guns from a libary on a miltary base. i think i know what im talking about plus i do tons of gun research. the miltary armory tells me about the guns and what they did with them they may not have jump with them on d-day but they did a couple of other times.nobody take this personal.
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Post by caffrey on Dec 31, 2006 15:28:57 GMT -5
Guys jumped with BARs... and 75 pounds of additional crap nobody needed. Then take your plane twice the speed you trained with 200 feet from the ground (or water). What kind of rifle you have on your back doesn't make a whole lot of difference...
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Post by Cpl. Hicks on Jan 1, 2007 18:50:23 GMT -5
Sounds like fun.
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Post by mauser98k on Jan 2, 2007 2:13:13 GMT -5
"i checked out a book on WW2 guns from a libary on a miltary base."
Wow you're practically qualified!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2007 2:14:55 GMT -5
degrading much? haha
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jan 6, 2007 4:03:28 GMT -5
Specific sources for this nonsense would be nice. Where these troopers got BARs when they weren't part of their assigned TO&E is a mystery. I'm sure once on the ground troops would use what ever was expedient but following refitting and preping for an airborne assault whether North Africa, Scicily, Normandy, Market Garden or the Rhine I ain't buying WW2 airborne troops jumping with BARs. Things pretty much went according to organizational and equipment standards prescribed and BARs weren't part of a parachute regiments organization structure. PERIOD! I'm certainly not saying it couldn't be done. Drop bags held gear bigger and heavier then BARs. I'm just saying with absolute confidence it wasn't done. Your recollection of the book is flawed or the book is wrong. There were 300 BARs assigned to an airborne division in 1944 (out of 12,979 men.) but these were relegated (for good reason) to the glider regiments. If even one guy jumped with a BAR in his drop bag or even the units collective crew served array I'd be shocked and amazed.
Show me precise sources or direct me to photographic evidence and I humbly apologize.
John Robison Capt. US Army (Ret.) Airborne Infantry
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Post by binarypunisher on Jan 6, 2007 4:41:58 GMT -5
But...but...I saw it in Band of Brothers!
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Post by Jager.Drü on Jan 6, 2007 11:33:29 GMT -5
Nuff said, No paras jumping with BARs or 1919s
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Post by Nimlas on Jan 6, 2007 11:42:35 GMT -5
Nuff said, No paras jumping with BARs or 1919s I've since found proof of BOTH. There's an AAR from a 3/505th battalion commander that states that they did infact jump with BARs. The 1919s WERE part of the December 1944 Airborne TO&E. I've also seen picture of guys in C47's with 1919s. It was done.
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Post by Jager.Drü on Jan 6, 2007 11:44:55 GMT -5
Specific sources for this nonsense would be nice. Where these troopers got BARs when they weren't part of their assigned TO&E is a mystery. I'm sure once on the ground troops would use what ever was expedient but following refitting and preping for an airborne assault whether North Africa, Scicily, Normandy, Market Garden or the Rhine I ain't buying WW2 airborne troops jumping with BARs. Things pretty much went according to organizational and equipment standards prescribed and BARs weren't part of a parachute regiments organization structure. PERIOD! I'm certainly not saying it couldn't be done. Drop bags held gear bigger and heavier then BARs. I'm just saying with absolute confidence it wasn't done. Your recollection of the book is flawed or the book is wrong. There were 300 BARs assigned to an airborne division in 1944 (out of 12,979 men.) but these were relegated (for good reason) to the glider regiments. If even one guy jumped with a BAR in his drop bag or even the units collective crew served array I'd be shocked and amazed. Show me precise sources or direct me to photographic evidence and I humbly apologize. John Robison Capt. US Army (Ret.) Airborne Infantry
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jan 6, 2007 15:53:03 GMT -5
I never argued the M1919 in fact the A6 version was quite common with airborne troopers. In fact in many ways it filled the role intended for a BAR as a light, man portable assault MG. sadly the BAR was not well suited to the role as it was too light and the M1919A6 was too heavy!
The BAR was a part of the Glider regiment TOE but not Parachute regiments. If that changed in December of 44 the only jump possible would have been the Rhine jump. Pictures inside of or loading into a C-47 would be very persuasive. I'm open and anxious to be convinced otherwise. Nimlas you research guru find the illusive photographic evidence. If there's anyone I trust to do so it's you!
Again what I'm looking for is evidence of a BAR being jumped The AAR is pretty convincing but photos of a jumper with BAR web gear would do it. The BAR would have been bagged and wouldn't be visible anyway. But the web gear would make the case. Incidently I have an airborne belt that really looks like a BAR belt but it's a special made full riggers belt. Very cool but could be easily misinterpreted in a photo.
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