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Post by Guinness on Oct 24, 2007 0:39:22 GMT -5
WGC Shop B.A.R Preorder!WGC is now accepting pre-order sales on the 'Standard' version of their Browning Automatic Rifle B.A.R. replica. $999 Approximate available date: Mid-November NOTE: CNC Version Shown in picture for reference, Production Model may differ in appearance. Features: * Real Wood Handguard / Stock * Diecaast Aluminium Receiver * Dummy Gas System * Realistic Field Stripping * 7mm Bearing Gearbox Specifications: Gear Box: / Motor: VFC EG1300 Magazine: 190 Rounds Length: 1200mm Barrel Length: 502mm Weight: 5100g Battery: GRS-96-1700AP ( Not Included, Stock Holds Up to 12V M16 Type Battery, Mini Plug on AEG ) Muzzle Velocity: 280-300FPS with 0.2g BBs Package Includes: Gun, Magazine x2, Dummy Round ( Hop Adjustment Tool ), Manual -From WGC Shop
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Post by gunfreak on Oct 24, 2007 6:08:42 GMT -5
I hope they'll make a lowcap mag
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Post by hank on Oct 24, 2007 8:59:50 GMT -5
Whats the difference between the two, besides the price???
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Post by Guinness on Oct 24, 2007 10:21:57 GMT -5
One is CNC made, the other will not be- Hence the somewhat lower price point
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Post by YankeeDiv26 on Oct 24, 2007 11:54:50 GMT -5
YES! do we know how many they're gonna make?
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Post by gunfreak on Oct 24, 2007 12:21:21 GMT -5
what the hell dos CNC stand for anyway?
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Post by YankeeDiv26 on Oct 24, 2007 12:42:53 GMT -5
I think its Computer number control. You essentially type in the dimensions and a computer manned machine (typically a milling machine) makes the part. its when the part (in this case the reciever) is milled down from 1 piece of metal. Much more time consuming, hence more expensive. My uncle used to cnc parts as a business a few years back.
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Post by Gordak on Oct 24, 2007 13:34:10 GMT -5
CNC version is milled like the real B.A.R. The cheaper version will be cast, but its very likely they look almost identical, so dont sweat it. I just cant wait for more magazines! -Gordak
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Post by Guinness on Oct 24, 2007 13:36:54 GMT -5
Don't worry about stock either, Troy Lugenbill will buy two then offer us one for $1800....... j/k of course Troy- Capitalism, Go! ;D
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Post by Lev on Oct 24, 2007 14:06:54 GMT -5
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CNCMy dad has several of these machines at his business. They are pretty cool. Hmmmm. I'd never thought of making airsoft guns until now.
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Post by Guinness on Oct 24, 2007 14:12:36 GMT -5
Block of billet Aluminum on its way to you now.......
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Post by YankeeDiv26 on Oct 24, 2007 14:27:28 GMT -5
make that 2 blocks for udo...
I really think that the new version's gonna look just as good as the CNC version, despite some minor differences. I was thinking the new version would be in the $700 range just based on my gut instinct, but $1000's probably still too much for me to cough up. I could always sell the .30 and pay the difference....
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Post by gunfreak on Oct 24, 2007 14:43:34 GMT -5
i'm doing airborne, so I can't realy use it(mabye for a market garden impression) but I REALY want one
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Post by Guinness on Oct 24, 2007 15:00:25 GMT -5
Yeah- too pricey for me for sure-
I would want to weather it of course, and I just couldn't bring myself to do that to a thousand dollar gun.
But fingers crossed the Chinese are watching closely and there will be a $400 clone soon!
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Post by 101steasykid on Oct 24, 2007 15:17:45 GMT -5
I think it is in my price range. I don't like having alot of low to mid range airsoft guns, more of a few pricey ones. I just don't think I could switch from a submachine gunner, to scout, to rifleman, to machinegunner! I will have this beauty within the month, I can tell you that (if it isn't sold out by then).
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Post by 2nd Bat on Oct 24, 2007 16:15:24 GMT -5
I don't understand or trust their suggestion that there will be limited number made. They said the same thing about the CnC version but clearly exceeded their prediction. $1,000.00 is certainly more reasonable but still outside my budget. I had authorized Up To $750.00 with hopes that it would be under $600.00 I'm also disconcerted to see the performance prediction so low out of the box. (Must be to comply with Japanese restrictions but geez with so many of the $150.00 Chinese guns shooting at 330+ in stock form you'd think on a long, big, heavy gun they's give it a little more umph to justify the downsides.
It's nice when you appear intimidating it's even better when your gun backs up it's appearance. Obviously one would feel compelled to spend additional money on upgrades As for mags they undoubtedly use the same M-16 base magazine which can be bought cheaply enough and actual BAR magazines are still available in the $20 to 25.00 range so I would think one could craft some low cap magazines for under $35.00
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Post by Schwerpunkt on Oct 24, 2007 16:38:04 GMT -5
hey 2nd bat, not to get too far off topic, but if I remember correctly, werent you toying around with some ideas for a BAR custom some time ago? I think I remember seeing something mentioned about it on the back of the manual that came with my AEG Garand. Im curious to know if you ever developed any kind of feasible plans for something like that?
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Post by troyluginbill on Oct 24, 2007 17:06:08 GMT -5
Guiness, already bought the lot of them out and will be offering them for 2000.00 each (lol-j/k)
I'm a little ticked at VFC cause they outright lied to me in numerous emails that they would not be producing anything further with the BAR. But I am also happy cause now I can get more mags-converting real ones is a pain-and can get a barrel gas assembly to cut down for the bannana wars impression. Easier than trying to machine my own.
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Post by YankeeDiv26 on Oct 24, 2007 17:26:04 GMT -5
Sucks troy, but thats business I guess.
I'm kinda annoyed with the $1000 price tag as well. Because they are gonna go into mass production (relatively) then there won't be a "investment" aspect to it, just a really expensive airsoft gun.
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Post by Guinness on Oct 24, 2007 18:29:54 GMT -5
Well remember, I-Know-Ketchup...er uh Inokatsu was also supposed to make one of these
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Post by YankeeDiv26 on Oct 24, 2007 18:42:46 GMT -5
True, something tells me they've given up on the idea now that vfc has made a standard version. I'm really rooting for a chinese manufacturer to come out with one.
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Post by troyluginbill on Oct 24, 2007 22:55:06 GMT -5
I wonder if the standard version will use the quick exchange gearbox that allows the swapping out of springs. That might help the low performance issue. Has anyone else chrono's theirs? Mine is shooting about 430fps with .2.
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Post by p51 on Oct 24, 2007 23:22:50 GMT -5
I'm considering getting one, myself. I've always wanted a good dummy BAR for displays anyway. The better ones are well into the 4-figure range anyhow. Kind of like when I got my AGM MP-40, it's not as much of a desire to use it at a match, but to have a cheaper copy I can throw into my WW2 Jeep or carry in parades or something like that. I guess I should hold onto the next BAR belt I stumble across, just in case. I totally agree with 2nd Batt, in that a weapon like this is menacing in real life due what it can do to a person. But the "holy cow" effect in airsoft is largely limited only to how much something cost the person carrying it around. For the most part, AEGs are largely about the same in terms of the damage they can do to you. Sure, some are made better or shoot a tad faster, but in the end, you're just as likely to hit someone with an off-the-shelf CA M-16 variant than you are with some custom gun that costs as much as a good used car. And to me, that's a real shame. I too wish when you lugged out a large crew-served airsoft weapon like this at a match, it would strike fear into the other team's hearts. But in the end, this BAR will be just a larger and more expensive version of what almost everyone here already has sitting in their gun safe or closet. For that reason, I'm far more interested in what it looks like than what it will do in the woods.
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Post by Guinness on Oct 24, 2007 23:30:31 GMT -5
Sure, true......
But it's a B.A.R. for cripes sakes!!!
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Post by troyluginbill on Oct 25, 2007 0:20:55 GMT -5
yeah, My problem is when I am in the woods alone with it...........mmmmm. Nothing spells love like a BAR!
So I guess it all depends on what that ideal gun was for you as a kid. For me it was the BAR, then the thompson. Thompson came out first but the BAR is my true love.
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Post by TommyGunner on Oct 25, 2007 1:13:02 GMT -5
My true loves are the BAR and the M1928 Thompson. I have my M1928 Thompson and as soon as my cushman BAR comes in and my AGM M-14 I will have my BAR. It will make its debue at the midwest D-day event. Mine will cost under $200 to make.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Oct 25, 2007 2:51:52 GMT -5
I must say having looked closely at and handled the VFC BAR. (I ran into Troy at a Gunshow where he was an impressively decked out Marine carrying his BAR) It was extremely impressive. It looked and felt perfect. Very solid and very heavy. Non firing BARs of equal quality are $4,000 so from looks alone it's a great deal. The easy swap out of springs is certainly a valid consideration and it could very well be that VFC is promoting a sub 300 FPS to satisfy the Japanese domestic requirement and UK rstrictions when in fact it shoots much harder. The cast receiver group will look and function every bit as nicely as the CnC'd version. Hopefully they came up with some better way to secure the front hand guard although on Troys it was solid as a rock.
Like all of you I have always been a huge BAR fan ever since I saw KIRBY on combat lug it around. Firing the exact same 30 Cal ammunition as the Garand and Springfield, with the 20 round box magazine and heavier barrel the BAR was supposed to be able to sustain down range fire power equal to four men with Garands. I saw that in a training film dated 1943.
Delighted to see VFC come back out with this version but definitely think they hosed you Troy with the missinformation. I hope they sell every one they make so AGM or CYMA rips them off. Incidently composition stocks were built and produced during the war for BARs so if the rip off has a plastic stock in place of the wood that would actually be authentic. (Just not as cool)
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