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Post by migmadmavis on Apr 30, 2008 22:40:52 GMT -5
Im trying to decide weather or not to get it, and if im correct I remember Gordak, and Yankeediv26 had one, but If anyone here has one and can tell me about it that would be great. Photos are a bonus -Tobin
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Post by 2nd Bat on May 3, 2008 15:02:04 GMT -5
Schmitty and Troyluckinbill both have them as well
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Post by YankeeDiv26 on May 3, 2008 16:23:38 GMT -5
Photo's you ask, photo's you get. Check out the review Gordak started on it. The standard version is exactly the same except its reciever is not CNC'd. That'll give you a lot of information. <YD>
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Post by migmadmavis on May 3, 2008 18:11:59 GMT -5
Damn!! I am definitely getting that!!! Whered you get it?
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Post by YankeeDiv26 on May 3, 2008 21:51:11 GMT -5
WGC. its $999 there which is the cheapest place I've seen it, even when you factor in air-mail shipping.
Keep in mind, you're going to need a good deal of mags. Currently, I only have 5 total (which is really all that you need) but if you want to carry 10-12 magazines like a real BAR gunner...you're going to spend $400-480 on magazines. I'm too cheap/lazy to do that, so I just cut blocks of wood in the shape of BAR magazines and painted them black.
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Post by Medic on May 3, 2008 22:14:34 GMT -5
That's a good idea, and innovative too.
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Post by migmadmavis on May 4, 2008 13:18:33 GMT -5
just one more question, Ive seen so many different weights, but how much does it weigh?
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Post by YankeeDiv26 on May 4, 2008 14:11:32 GMT -5
Hmm, good question. I've seen specifications all over the place for this gun (fps, weight, bb capacity, ect) but if I had to guess, I'd say its a good 10 or 12 pounds. So it won't break your back like a real BAR will, but it definitely wont float away.
If I had a scale I would check;D
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Post by troyluginbill on May 5, 2008 0:04:09 GMT -5
Yep, I weighed mine at 12 pounds. Got 5 mags, and am making 5 low caps from real mags and VN plastic ones. This gun I use as my main arm now and she has never failed me. Long barrel equals excellent accuracy, quick change springs makes sure you are never too hot or too cold for the competition but always just right. Will have a WW1 front grip on it to do the "early" PTO BARs soon. Never had a better gun.
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Post by YankeeDiv26 on May 5, 2008 15:00:53 GMT -5
Nice troy. I've always thought the later model ones looked better but I'd like to see one with the early front grip.
The gun is super easy to field strip (no tools needed) and the springs are equally as easy to swap in/out.
Two teency tiny cons about the gun are that is has a mini connector (2 minute fix) and the front stock has a tad bit of wiggle-room. Other than that, the gun is awesome. This gun will definitely be my primary for WWII events, the m1928 is bumped down to the #2 slot.
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Post by Gordak on May 6, 2008 9:20:53 GMT -5
they are killer guns, I had to change the stock on mine to a real one, which turned out to be a big job, hopefully the standard models are better.
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Post by YankeeDiv26 on May 6, 2008 13:43:44 GMT -5
I think they're the same in regards to design, but possibly not in construction. Mine seems very solid and I expext it will be for a long time, but on the other hand, I heard about what happened to your's (sucks).
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Post by hank on May 6, 2008 20:24:56 GMT -5
Nice pics yankee. You must have a nice collection of guns now. hint hint
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Post by YankeeDiv26 on May 6, 2008 21:44:15 GMT -5
Thanks Hank, I just have to spread the love between the BAR and the M1928 now. I'm actually only down to a .45, the BAR, and the '28 for WWII guns. I sold the .30 cal, carbine, and 2nd bat garand in the past few months.
But I suppose that's not what this thread is really about. Back to BAR's...
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Post by migmadmavis on May 6, 2008 22:50:11 GMT -5
Well, I did it!! I got the BAR! And I only had to pay 700 for it. Pretty nice, and its brand new. Plus I get to keep the M60! Cant wait to get it. HAd one last question. Is it flat black, or gray liek in your pics. Ive heard plenty different stories, and ive never seen one in real life, and also is the barrel sturdy enough to house a real steel bipod and carry handle?
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Post by YankeeDiv26 on May 7, 2008 20:19:44 GMT -5
Nice, welcome to the club. All the standards I've seen are a grey shade.
The barrel probably is sturdy enough for a carry handle and bipods. But honestly they're a waste of $ ($150+ for real steel or $200 for the dumb VFC ones)and put precious pounds on your gun where you dont want them. The bipod weights rougly 2lb's at a point about 2ft+ away from your center of balance. It won't tip you over but it will make a steady aim more difficult. You don't need the carry handle because the VFC isn't a backbreaker like the real BAR was. It weighs only about 2lb's more than a real M1 does.
Also, the wingnuts make it a major pain in the a$$ to deploy the legs and if you leave them out it just makes it more prone to getting tangled in bush and whatnot.
You hear a LOT of veterans talk about dumping the BAR bipods during WWII, and there's good reason for it. They were more popular in Korea because of the trench-like warfare.
Go light!
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Post by Young Blood on May 8, 2008 1:13:38 GMT -5
Well, I did it!! I got the BAR! And I only had to pay 700 for it. Pretty nice, and its brand new. Plus I get to keep the M60! Cant wait to get it. HAd one last question. Is it flat black, or gray liek in your pics. Ive heard plenty different stories, and ive never seen one in real life, and also is the barrel sturdy enough to house a real steel bipod and carry handle? aw man, you're freakin' lucky, thats my dream gun.. How'd you manage to get it for $700, and was that shipped..?? -Eddie
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Post by migmadmavis on May 8, 2008 16:55:38 GMT -5
Ebay!!
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Post by chasem on May 8, 2008 17:34:48 GMT -5
You did it!!!!!!!!! You outbid me. Dang you.
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Post by migmadmavis on May 8, 2008 17:52:12 GMT -5
This is awkward hehe just kidding, but I couldnt let it pass me by
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Post by Young Blood on May 13, 2008 13:16:32 GMT -5
..oh I thought you meant that you bought it for that much brand new from an online store or somthing, thats why I was tripping out, lol. -Eddie
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Post by jimseery on May 13, 2008 21:30:07 GMT -5
I just got mine today, and as a collector I tend to judge things from a different perspective than many folks do, but this is the most impressive airsoft gun I've ever seen and I've bought a few. The pictures don't do it justice, you have to handle, nay, fondle it to really appreciate what you've got. I can only suggest to you younger members that this is a prime reason to do well in school, get a good degree, and make lots of money so you can buy toys like this!
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Post by YankeeDiv26 on May 13, 2008 22:22:27 GMT -5
I can only suggest to you younger members that this is a prime reason to do well in school, get a good degree, and make lots of money so you can buy toys like this! I haven't gotten those last two crossed off the list yet but I ended up at the same point all the same The one downside of this gun is once you have it you'll want to use it for everything. I caught myself thinking "well...I already have an M79 but I could use this as my 'Nam gun and say I got it from some ARVN guys..." <YD>
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Post by Young Blood on May 16, 2008 18:25:07 GMT -5
..Iv'e made more money using my fists (boxing) Than I ever have doing anything that involves things iv'e learned in school.
Is the VFC BAR gas or electric rifle, and who sells it at the best price if anyone here knows..?? -Eddie
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Post by Sgt_Tom on May 16, 2008 19:25:15 GMT -5
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Post by YankeeDiv26 on May 16, 2008 19:58:07 GMT -5
..Iv'e made more money using my fists (boxing) Than I ever have doing anything that involves things iv'e learned in school. Is the VFC BAR gas or electric rifle, and who sells it at the best price if anyone here knows..?? -Eddie Does that make you dumb or tough? ;D Back on topic....It's an AEG, the best price I've seen them for consistantly is WGCshop.com. If you decide to snail-mail it shipping costs about 40 bucks. So you're looking at $1040 to get it to your door in a few weeks (mabye less if you're not on the east coast like me). There's a lot of information in the first review that answers a lot of the questions being asked here. It's probably best to read there before asking here. <YD>
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Post by jimseery on May 16, 2008 20:04:16 GMT -5
A couple of thoughts; 1 - never critisize what a man does to make a living, " A man's gotta do what a man's gotta do." On the other hand at age 64, with my degree, I could probably go back to work in the $40K range. You can't do that in many of the physical jobs. More important I had a friend over yesterday who has shot several RS full auto BARs. To sum his reaction up " This is about as good as it gets without being real. ". He told an interesting story. The BAR fires from an open bolt. In other words when the piece is ready to fire the bolt is open and has to close, chambering the round and than fireing it. This makes for a delay, and for the unprepared a quick lesson in anti aircraft fires as the muzzle climb is ferocious. One assumes in combat (or training) you get over that fast.
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Post by 2nd Bat on May 16, 2008 21:57:20 GMT -5
One of the reasons for the butt plate flap was so you could drape it over your your shoulder and place your hand over the rear stock with downward force. With the muzzle held in place by the bipod and when fired from the prone position. (The preferred firing position) you might somewhat be able to countermand the severe tendancy to rise. This climb tendancy is pretty common to virtually all fully automatic weapons especially back in the day.
We had a couple BARs in our armory in SE Asia although other than in the hands of CIDG and ARVN Rangers I never saw them fielded. We dinked around with them from time to time however. As a small guy I really couldn't see lugging it in the bush and they looked enormous in the hands of the little indigs.
A very cool gun and certainly one of my all time favorites but not as a field weapon. The VFC BAR is an awesome Airsoft gun and in my opinion well worth the dough. They function well are well made and certainly accomplish the OOOOOOh factor where ever they go.
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Post by YankeeDiv26 on May 16, 2008 22:54:14 GMT -5
I know, it wasn't a criticism just a joke. No harm meant nor implied.
The BAR seems, like any other weapon, only as good as the war it fights. When it first came out in 1918 just after WWI it blew away the other "walking machine guns" in the US's armory (essentially only the dreaded chauchauts) and would sometimes excell in its enviornment, sometimes not. The guns length (approx 48") and it's weight (approx 19-22lb) and low capacity (20rd's) were it's main issues. Probably the best examples of employing BAR's to good effect were how they were used in Marine fire Teams later on in WWII, where the two BAR men would fire while the other moved/reloaded. The large caliber (30.06) also limited the gun to shorter, slower bursts because of its muzzle climb. BUT the BAR could put lead FAR downrange and do so very accurately.
My grandfather came over the other day to visit in Korea lead an Infantry Company as an LT for his first few months incountry. He didn't go through the details very much, but he did say there were times in which his BAR's and their gunners were invaluable. When equipted with a Bipod and in a static position such as the Korean War-era trench systems they could be highly effective. He actually thought it was a real BAR (and was obviously shocked that I had it) for the first minute or too seeing/holding it.
Personally, I don't find the BAR as being over-burdening. I'm a pretty big guy (about 6'3" and 200lb) and young so it's not a terrible load for me. I sometimes use one of my reenacting unit's one at a tactical, and although I'll be more tired after carrying a BAR and a full compliment of ammo than I would with an M1, it's not terrible. If I had it with me 24/7 for months on end like a GI would I may feel differently though. The VFC is a lot nicer to carry because it's signifigantly lighter, but I'm not afraid of it floating away anytime soon.
In short: I love it, it's a great gun.
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Post by glenlivet on May 6, 2009 4:15:02 GMT -5
Sorry to resurrect this old thread. Can somebody tell me the differences between the "regular and the "CNC" verions of the VFC BAR? How can i identify the two versions, are there any external features to differentiate them from each other? Thanks!
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