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Post by chasem on Jun 5, 2008 11:56:33 GMT -5
I think it would be nice to play an event in the mist of winter with minimal clothing, weapons, and rations. This could recreate the battle for Stalingrad. We could have a limit on guns to people ratio. The person behind carries a spare mag for the gun and we could do a mass charge style play. Game suggustions
-No retreats -1:3 gun to person ratio -Hand made clothing only -Wool hats required -Flask for hydration
It would be real neat to see somthing like this go down.
Thanks
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Lev
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Post by Lev on Jun 5, 2008 14:22:39 GMT -5
While I agree that this idea would be neat to see, I don't think you're going to have much luck convincing people to attend an event and not get any trigger time. File that one away in the "really cool but unlikely" category.
Also, the whole "2/3 of Stalingrad's defenders didn't have guns" statistic is highly dubious. While it may have the case early on in the battle, ammunition and food shortages were the biggest problem.
Do you currently have a Russian impression?
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Medic
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Post by Medic on Jun 5, 2008 17:17:19 GMT -5
I'd do it, but I have no Russian Equipment.
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Relish
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Post by Relish on Jun 5, 2008 23:03:06 GMT -5
*cough* Plugs Capt. Zak's Russian gear *cough* Marketplace *cough*
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ba64
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Post by ba64 on Apr 9, 2010 18:43:16 GMT -5
The 198th Rifle Division, WI. Airsoft team holds training events and host 2 Ostfront events per year on our private battlefield. We convert alot of clothing for starter uniforms. Take alook at "East meets West, Battle for Berlin" April 17-18, 2010 FREE 2 day event. Also take alook at www.ostfrontairsoft.com for more info.
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Post by FlyingSquirrelcat on Oct 7, 2010 20:34:47 GMT -5
Yeah, you know that the Russians produced 37 million mosins? Weapon shortage? I don't think so. AS stated the biggest problem above all was indeed the food supply and overall health of the soldiers, Because if you ever went to Russia in the winter(For the record I know the battle of Stalingrad lasted from July, 1942- Feb 2, 1943 but the darkest period of the battle occurred in and among the fall and winter months), Its hell in a freezer. This is for both the Germans and the Ruskies. The Russians were poorly supplied and had very few rations and ammunition was running very scarce. Shipments of troops across the Volga were constantly decreasing due to the advancement of the German lines. However, the Germans were walking into a trap. As they advanced they closed the jaws on there own death-clamp. They crushed themselves by the hand of the soviet mechanized war machine and there T-34s. The German 6th army along with some Romanian divisions were encircled and crushed or captured by the soviets fist. So, remember that Stalingrad wasn't these poor little Russians against a big mighty Germany, remember the Russians won this battle through determination, perseverance, and resistance. Because what you also have to remember is although they weren't treated with the respect that they deserved by a number of there superiors and for the most part many of them were draftees(I use this term loosely) they weren't fighting for the communist party. The Imperial traditions were reestablished, Gold emulates were distributed to officers, and the commissars were taken out of the mix as political advisers and reconstitute as combat leaders. Troops were no longer fighting for the communist party but for their Motherland. This wasn't a political war anymore, it was a fight to save there homeland and more importantly themselves from inhalation, as Hitler saw the Commies as nothing more than an obstacle for the third Reich. So next time you see a picture like this: And you think that these were a bunch of boys who were starving with no ammunition or guns at all, who were led into combat by insane Commissars who would slaughter all who retreat and abandon the communist and above all Stalin. Boys who were against the strongest army in the world at were shot down like fish in a barrel, as they hopelessly charged the German lines with insufficient weapons. The Germans on the other hand in position of mass killing machines and would just cut them down like grass... Just remember that that is Hollywood filming and twisted facts. It was more like this: Think two of the most combat hardened armies in the world squaring off in the ruble that once was a thriving town of industry. Now, the Germans fight a off for every square inch knowing that death is moving upon them. On the other hand the Russians desperately trying to hold there land will do anything to deffend it. This was the way it was and between all the chaos that both armies had to face, the Russians came out on top. As displayed in the picture above, a proud soviet takes captive a German soldier who has been through a hell only experienced by those who actually witnessed it. So I guess to sum it all up, The Russians weren't nearly as bad off as the Germans were and in the end the Russians shear persistance is why they won arguably one if not the most decisive battle of World War 2. Wow, I wrote a lot ;D
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Post by FlyingSquirrelcat on Oct 7, 2010 20:42:26 GMT -5
Oh yeah, and I think if you really wanted to do a Stalingrad recreation you should really just forget about it. There are WAY to many details and complications to that battle, but above all where would you do it? I mean its not like you can buy out an entire industrial complex on the banks of a river in some near freezing country. I mean, yea its a good idea but Stalingrad has to be done right and it would be very hard to do without the right scenery. sorry mate its just too important at least thats just my feelings on that subject. However, I think a Caucasus scenario would be a lot of fun and easier to do. Check out my ideas for that on the Ideas for a scenario thread.
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kalbs
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Post by kalbs on Oct 8, 2010 20:17:28 GMT -5
If you want to get into the mind set of the Russian soldier, read the personal accounts on this web page. A fantastic read. Flyingsquirlcat is correct, Hollywood has it all wrong. english.iremember.ru/
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Post by FlyingSquirrelcat on Oct 9, 2010 5:24:38 GMT -5
very interesting kalbs, How did you manage to find this? And at what point were these diary entrees made?
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Post by volkssturm on Oct 9, 2010 15:51:46 GMT -5
If you want to get into the mind set of the Russian soldier, read the personal accounts on this web page. A fantastic read. Flyingsquirlcat is correct, Hollywood has it all wrong. english.iremember.ru/Thanks for the link. That is a wonderful resource for the grunt's level view of the Eastern Front.
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kalbs
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Post by kalbs on Oct 9, 2010 21:13:01 GMT -5
very interesting kalbs, How did you manage to find this? And at what point were these diary entrees made? No idea about the entries. I bough a book called "The Red Army at War" by Artem Drabkim and the link was on the book so I checked it out. The book was purchased from Boarders. Book has some great photos and excerps from the web site.
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Post by FlyingSquirrelcat on Nov 6, 2010 13:09:01 GMT -5
Thought this would give some good perspective on all of that crap about (Charge, if you die grab his gun!) and I thought this fit in nicely here.
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