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Post by sabrepilot9000 on Jul 12, 2008 18:15:17 GMT -5
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Post by TommyGunner on Jul 12, 2008 18:24:44 GMT -5
That looks great, and Dang Nabit, ya beat me to the punch, I have a Chinese M500 on order and a trench gun heat shield/ bayonet lug assembly also on order as I was going to do that same thing. ;D
It looks fantastic though!!! Great job!
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Post by sabrepilot9000 on Jul 12, 2008 18:43:24 GMT -5
Thanks tommygunner. I cant beleive you were going to be doing that same thing haha. I do have a question though. How were you plannin on getting the loading mechanism to work since the bayonet lug is in the way? I have a few ideas but I havent tried any of them yet. After modding the stock and forearm I decided to call it a day (damn sawdust).
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Post by TommyGunner on Jul 12, 2008 19:17:25 GMT -5
Actually the loading of the ammo was not something I had even taken into consideration yet as I usually attack those kinds of problems once I get the parts to make the gun.
Looking at the pics you have the only thing I can even think of doign would be to maybe cut off the part where the bayonet snaps onto the lug (not the round part by the muzzel but the bottom part where the bayonet slides on) and maybe attach that directly to the loading mechanism so that it all slides out when you want to reload. That would also mean having to make the entire heat shild assembly slide up farther on the gun so that the bayonet lug is flush with the bottom tube.
Maybe that will work, maybe it wont, Im not sure.
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Post by sabrepilot9000 on Jul 12, 2008 21:50:06 GMT -5
Lol. That's actually pretty close to the idea I was leaning towards doing. Just make a very thin cut when the loading rod is locked in place the lug still looks like its part of the heat shield. Then make a semi circle cut in the front part of the lug and cutr down a bit of the magazine plug. When you unlock it and pull it forward you can turn it to the side so it is horizontally aligned with the rest of the gun and can slide foraward with the semi circle cut allowing the exposed bb rod to slide through with the lug attched to it sliding underneath. I know its odd to picture but I'll try and get some shots when its done since I think thats the way that would work best. I'll do some drawings and start working on it soon. BTW, what parts do you have for yours right now?
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Post by TommyGunner on Jul 12, 2008 22:40:53 GMT -5
Great minds think alike lol. Thats exactly the approach to take in making the gun load lol.
As for what I have, I have the Chinese M500 on order (black version) and I have a reall steel trench gun heat sheild on order from IMA-USA.com. They should be here by next week, however with a large batch of 5 Lee-Enfield rifles I have to build, plus a Sten AEG I have my hands full until about mid-late August and thats when I head back to college. So I doubt I will be able to work on it before I go back to school or until I take a weekend off from school to come home and work on projects for people.
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Post by sabrepilot9000 on Jul 12, 2008 23:20:15 GMT -5
Damn you really do have your hands full. For a stock set, try and get a western field stock (thats the one I got) becuase it has that nice groove in the top for your thumb to set in when aiming which is what the original trench gun stocks had. Also, try and get a 5/16 x 5 1/2" bolt to secure the stock. The gun has metric threads and the screw it comes with is too short for a real stock and the real stock screw wont work either. I chose the bolt because you can screw it in and it will thread itself (if you use a ratchet). Only other thing would be to try and rethread it but thats a pain in the ass. The forearm will need its inner diameter widened about 1/4" to 1/2", have two small slots made, and one larger slot made for the forearm retaining "spring". And lastly, the heat shield wont fit without grinding down the lip on the back of the shield. It might take a little sanding down on the front of the barrel, but it will finally fit if you lightly tap it on. Once its on though, its on there for good since the fit will be extremely tight lol. If you'd like I can refer you to a guy who might have the exact wood forearm you need.
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Post by TommyGunner on Jul 13, 2008 2:48:46 GMT -5
Great info! Ill be sure to get the wood parts and the correct screws then, also if you could link me to the guy with the correct wood front peice that would be great.
I eventually want to make a Shot gunners USMC imp for games, however I planned on Cap.Zak to use this when we attend PTO airsoft games as he blank reenacts in my USMC unit as a shot gunner with an 1897 trench gun.
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Post by sabrepilot9000 on Jul 13, 2008 10:08:25 GMT -5
Thats gonna be pretty sweet then. For the forearm, I got it from a guy on gunbroker who's company is called Mission Essential. Only other thing is finding a correct buttplate. I'm working on getting a springfield '03 sling mount for the stock and a 1907 sling as I think those would work with the western field stock fairly well.
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Post by savoy6 on Jul 13, 2008 22:07:27 GMT -5
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Post by sabrepilot9000 on Jul 13, 2008 23:17:00 GMT -5
Bingo. Thats exactly what I was going for. I mean, yeah, the receiver is a little different and it has two action bars instead of the M12's one but I think its fairly close. At least as close as it's gonna get using a M500 lol.
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Post by sabrepilot9000 on Aug 12, 2008 22:15:10 GMT -5
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Post by TommyGunner on Aug 12, 2008 22:40:03 GMT -5
Perfect, you did exactly what I will be doing! It looks great!
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Post by sabrepilot9000 on Aug 12, 2008 23:38:17 GMT -5
Haha, thanks. Yeah, that really seemed like the only way to do it w/o making it look like crap. Good luck on yours. Be sure to post some shots of it.
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Post by TommyGunner on Aug 12, 2008 23:44:56 GMT -5
I will, Ill be getting to mine around Winter break...if Im lucky, I have alot going on including a prototype AEG M1 Carbine. But this is a great conversion that you did very well at!.
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Post by Dees on Apr 16, 2009 14:40:58 GMT -5
Have you guys thought about cutting a slot in the BB tube to correspond with the hole where you put the BB in and using a cable/string attached to the follower with a drilled eye loop? I ask because I have the tube magazine tore apart on my table at the moment, and after looking at it, it appears that this could be done fairly easily, so you wouldn't have to destroy the value of the heatshield in getting to so you can load it.
I will take pictures shortly, let me find my camera.
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Post by Dees on Apr 16, 2009 15:10:55 GMT -5
 you can see the slot that the BBs are hand fed through here...........  the end of that tube which is the real magazine has a retaining collar, that you can see here once the press fit mid-tube is removed.......  Once you remove the retaining collar, you can just pull the follower out, and since it is made out of a light alloy, should be no problem to get a threaded eye put into the back of it. I would probably just run a string or light cable up through the magazine tube and maybe drill a second hole a little further up the tube from the BB port, then run the cable through it so when you pull on it the follower is retracted enough to allow you to put BBs into the tube. If you did it right and put a knot in the string, you could pull it past that knot and maybe hook it into a notch in the drilled hole, so it stays back while you load, allowing you to use both hands. |
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Post by sarge12 on Apr 16, 2009 21:15:42 GMT -5
i am big hunter and i have an origanel winchester model 12 12 gauge shotgun . i looked up the serial code and it was made in 1941 ,so for your marushin to look real you really need to file more washers on the fore arm ,on the end with the smoothe part pointing toward the bayonet lug. then file off the part of the fore arm that meets the receiver when pumped .if u need any more advice PM me.
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Post by bizcuits on Apr 1, 2010 15:35:20 GMT -5
Where'd you guys order the vintage heat shield and bayonet lug from?
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Post by childofalara on Jan 27, 2011 18:05:31 GMT -5
Where'd you guys order the vintage heat shield and bayonet lug from? I'd like to know this as well. |
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Post by BigBoy on Jan 28, 2011 18:17:32 GMT -5
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Post by nile on Aug 21, 2011 8:04:31 GMT -5
What if you attached the front part of the bayonet lug to the rear part thats attached to the tube with a strip of metal so that both of them could be removed at the same time? That way the front and rear could be on the gun. I dont have a heat shield and the gun sitting in front of me, so i dont know if it would work. but hey, its another suggestion.
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) so I decided to try and make this WWII Winchester M12 lookalike. Though there are a few differences I think it looks pretty good. I'm still working on modifying the loading mechanism to work with the heat shield but as far as appearances it's complete (I do want to try and get a steel buttplate to replace the recoil pad though). Lemme know what you guys think. 
) so I decided to try and make this WWII Winchester M12 lookalike. Though there are a few differences I think it looks pretty good. I'm still working on modifying the loading mechanism to work with the heat shield but as far as appearances it's complete (I do want to try and get a steel buttplate to replace the recoil pad though). Lemme know what you guys think. 
