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SKS AEG
Sept 18, 2008 10:07:38 GMT -5
Post by Flippy on Sept 18, 2008 10:07:38 GMT -5
I heard that SKS is a post-war weapon. But I read that the soviet 7,62×39 M43 cartridge was developed in 1943 the to react the german 7,92×33. And the weapon for it-the SKS was developed, and used from the summer of 1944 on the first Belarus front, at battle of Berlin, and also by officer training. So the early modell was used during the WW2!!! In this reason I decided to make one... First I want to convert an original one... later i find the Kamyu toys SKS shell ejecting carbine, also know as BC 2039 cartridge ejecting spring rifle... After some problems finally I can get it, but sadly the custom work won't start until june, I don't expect that I get it so easy(thanx 2nd Bat  ... After I examined it; I realized, that I have to buy some original SKS parts... Front sight is horrible, made from plastic... original 5$ its seat too... original 7$ Magazine is good, but not for a WW2 SKS, beacuse it's an AK-47 magazine... I don't buy it, beacuse I can make it(the magazine cover) from zinc plate... Magazine catch is also total different... (but I must stay at it; beacuse, the original one works like a bolt-it can be moved horizonlally, and it's quite a long distance from the magazine, if I build removable magazines, I can handle it only with both of my hands) Safety catch also totally different its 6$(but sold out  , maybe I can make it)... My SKS holds a spike-type bayonet, I looked after and I found, that the early-WW2 type had also spike-type bayonet... So not a big sum, and small parts, so shipping will be cheap... This will be the next step...  Update3:Sadly I can't buy any original parts  beacuse these parts are rare by me, and I can't buy from US webshops, beacuse as I know none weaponparts can cross the US border(or just too intricately, or illegal)... so I have to make everything with my own hands... I plan to make molds about my Marui AK-47 sight, and sight seat, they are similar to the SKS' one... it will be more difficult, but I don't give up... now I'm collecting pictures, especially about early SKS...  I bought a CYMA M14 SOCOM too, which is in transit... the inner barrel lenght will be perfect. |
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SKS AEG
Sept 20, 2008 15:06:53 GMT -5
Post by 2nd Bat on Sept 20, 2008 15:06:53 GMT -5
PM Sent
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Post by glymov on Dec 1, 2008 1:53:53 GMT -5
SKS not a ww2 weapon. and never be. It made in two-tree exeples and just field tested in war time . And never was in battles of WW2.
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SKS AEG
Dec 4, 2008 17:50:13 GMT -5
Post by ncthorn on Dec 4, 2008 17:50:13 GMT -5
The RPD-44 was the first mass produced weapon to use the M43 cartridge. Yes, some SKSs were present in Berlin in 1945 but as fas as i know, they did not see combat.
As a sidenote, what is the market like for SKSs in Hungary? Imports here in the US are slow right now but I am curious as to how the eastern European market is doing.
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Post by glymov on Dec 5, 2008 3:34:35 GMT -5
in Ukraine lot of SKS parts soviet made/
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Post by Flippy on Dec 6, 2008 4:50:25 GMT -5
I wanted a semi-automatic rifle(with CYMA M14 AEG internals and high fps upgrade), which I can use on rare WWII games by us... First I wanted to build a G43 but I realised, that's impassible for me... no enough money... no plans... no molds  SVT 40 would be far possible, beacuse many of them(I speak about disactivated weapons) are on sale by us... but I still don't have about 600-700USD to buy an original one... I think SKS is a border line case in WW2-airsoft, but I read the "44" (Belarus font... )datas in a coursebook, from hungarian military academy... so I believe it... In middle Europa, in East-Germany, Albania, Yugoslavia, Romania it was in first line service, and it was in production too, by us-as I know-it was(and still is) just on military parades. Update1:"A small quantity of high quality copy of the Soviet SKS carbine was manufactured during the 1950's. These were replaced by the AK-55 Kalashnikov automatic weapons after 1957. " and a link for more hungarian WW2 and other weapons: www.sunblest.net/gun/Simonov.htmBut you gave me good ideas where to get the necessary original parts... Are there webshops in East-Europa for SKS parts??? Beacuse I just saw US webshops... Update2:"The SKS45 was a self loading carbine using this new 7.62x39 cartridge. Field trials proved the weapon and, in 1944 a pre-production run of the SKS45 went to the Byelorussian front for battlefield trials. After some small 'tweaking,' it was officially adopted and designated the ''7.62 Samozaryadnyi Karabin Sisyemi Simonova Obrazets 1945g (7.62 Simonov System Selfloading Cabine Model 1945)-- shortened to SKS45-- and chosen as the ideal replacement for the SVT40, aka Tokarev Rifle." I found it there: www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=77240And I read this "Belarus battlefiled trials" from many other sites forums, books etc. so it must be true... and I don't think that they sent 1-3 pieces; it must be at least hundreds... |
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SKS AEG
Dec 6, 2008 20:01:38 GMT -5
Post by kalbs on Dec 6, 2008 20:01:38 GMT -5
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Post by Retrohead on Dec 7, 2008 0:02:30 GMT -5
Yup, he mentioned he got one already:
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Post by Flippy on Dec 7, 2008 6:05:20 GMT -5
;D ;D ;DYes I have it... I found out that I will use an ACM AK-47 outer barell for it. The diameter is exactly the same. The only problem is that SKS outer barell has continuous diameter, but the AK-one is slimmer at the front... So I will use it conversely  That's, what I'm talking about:  I'm collecting pre-50' SKS pictures, which are similar to late war SKS... I have still some, of them, but if you have one please post!!! I have still everything but the spike, I think it's more than possible...   |
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SKS AEG
Jan 21, 2009 16:10:10 GMT -5
Post by Dainz on Jan 21, 2009 16:10:10 GMT -5
Actually, the SKS did see action in WWII, beyond the "production examples" phase already mentioned. SKS rifles were not available in any sizeable quantity at the Battle of Berlin, contrary to a couple of published sources. A handful may have been around, but not in any numbers that would make it correct for them to appear at a Eastern Front event. However, there were several companies and battalions that used them in time for the Soviet invasion of Japan in August-Sept. of 1945. This was their first real "field trial". Long story short? If you're at an event portraying a Soivet soldier in late-summer of 1945, you're golden.  |
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SKS AEG
Jan 21, 2009 17:57:38 GMT -5
Post by click on Jan 21, 2009 17:57:38 GMT -5
SKS at reenactment = NO!!!!!
At an airsoft event...meh, OK. It will pass for a while. Until the rules start getting more strict.
We are here to portray the norm, not the exception.
That being said, I would love it if someone came up with a workable SKS AEG. The 'Nam guys could really use those.
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SKS AEG
Jan 22, 2009 9:42:35 GMT -5
Post by Flippy on Jan 22, 2009 9:42:35 GMT -5
I just play with friends, and the oldest weapon they have is AK47... If i may take part on WWII games by us, there are funny rules... if you have a G36 and a BW-dotcamo uniform you can take part... By allies you are just able to use "khaki"... so they don't know about "amoeba" soviet camo, and US marine camo too... ;D I think it would be a nightmare for you... I think the SKS prototypes alredy exists from 44', but you are right: the mass production, and official wide usage started after war... |
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SKS AEG
Jan 22, 2009 11:34:50 GMT -5
Post by click on Jan 22, 2009 11:34:50 GMT -5
I just play with friends, and the oldest weapon they have is AK47... Haha! Yeah, many of us have the same problem. I am not saying you cant use the SKS. I am just saying that it wouldn't be the best for reenactment (in public) What do you mean here? Click |
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SKS AEG
Jan 22, 2009 13:01:49 GMT -5
Post by Flippy on Jan 22, 2009 13:01:49 GMT -5
For example: "Battlefield - WWII" airsoft event If you go there in dot camo(Bundeswehr, not WW2 german elite camo!!!!) BDU-you are accepted as "german" If you go there in olive-green BDU-you are accepted as "allies" If you go there dressed in any other BDU, you are not accepted... Naturally authentic impressions are also accepted(but from this 2 regulations I'm not sure that they know anything about the other camouflages used by soviet and US marine forces )... And there are no weapon restrictions to... So my SKS may would be one of the most authentic weapons |
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Post by Gabe on Apr 7, 2009 9:50:27 GMT -5
I have been contemplating on converting a real sks over but you have to remember, the original sks had a non removable mag. It could only be loaded by stripper clips. I would ,ake a suggestion but I'm using that on my sks conversion.  |
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SKS AEG
Apr 11, 2009 13:04:18 GMT -5
Post by Flippy on Apr 11, 2009 13:04:18 GMT -5
I have an 500 rounds speedloader, and I will bore a hole under the flip-up iron sight... the BB-s will fall into M14 high-cap-wind-up mag internals... the mag cover will be able to open like a real one... the M14 mag internal will be fastened on the button of the mag cover... I just finished an 50% M14 mag shortening, so its possible... Update: sorry I get stuck in my non-WWII custom work... www.vietnamairsoft.com/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=2965I'll make it after it. |
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SKS AEG
Jan 4, 2010 10:43:07 GMT -5
Post by Flippy on Jan 4, 2010 10:43:07 GMT -5
As promised, I started some weeks ago... I modifyed the springer SKS's parts. And added an AK-sight, and -base too(both modifyed). I made lower part of the sight base from wood. Used some putty to achive the optimal form. My reference is an pre 50' soviet made SKS: please select "SKS"; roll down, and select "SKS page 27 more info - 1949 Spike Bayonet Russian"Exactly I plan a 45' made with dark shiny red stock, and sharp spike bayo'. Here some(bad) quality pictures:    I'm still workin' on it for about one week, after it I'll make the molds... I hope that my zinc casting theory will work... Otherwise I will cast the parts from polyesther gut, mixed with alu powder. |
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Jan 4, 2010 12:43:04 GMT -5
Post by Fusilier on Jan 4, 2010 12:43:04 GMT -5
Long story short? If you're at an event portraying a Soivet soldier in late-summer of 1945, you're golden.
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I'm not so sure about that! I have MANY books on the Soviets in WW2,and i'm also a collector of SKS's. I have NEVER,ever seen a pic of a Soviet soldier using an SKS in WW2. Hell,for that matter,even after WW2, when it was relegated to ceremonial duties and never actually fielded by the Soviet Army.
NOW, if you ant to use it for VC or NVA in Vietnam events, you're good.
As for that 30 round magazine? Thats an aftermarket thing concocted by American gun dealers. Issue SKS's only had the fixed 10 round magazine.
I have 3 SKS's:
Soviet, dated 1951(I think!)
Yugoslav,with the grenade launcher.
Albanian.
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SKS AEG
Jan 4, 2010 14:13:42 GMT -5
Post by Flippy on Jan 4, 2010 14:13:42 GMT -5
I don't want to use any removable magazines... Mp5 internal(one of the smallest)... and custom made non-removable sks external, like on the picture...  Mp5 internal instead of cartridges, it will be feed with a 500 rounds speedloader, from above; like the original. If mag capacity is about 200 BB, it's enough me for only semi-auto shooting... I'm Nam airsofter at the moment... may I build a garand too, it's absolutly perfect for WW2. As I know the mass production started with the 49' one, but there are photos about 48' SKS, it's the same shape. I think the earlier prototypes too... |
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Jan 4, 2010 14:16:57 GMT -5
Post by sarge12 on Jan 4, 2010 14:16:57 GMT -5
It looks possible to make it look like the russian tokarev rifle.
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SKS AEG
Jan 4, 2010 14:24:04 GMT -5
Post by Flippy on Jan 4, 2010 14:24:04 GMT -5
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SKS AEG
Jan 4, 2010 14:26:32 GMT -5
Post by Fusilier on Jan 4, 2010 14:26:32 GMT -5
It looks possible to make it look like the russian tokarev rifle. >> They were similar rifles in the bolt group ONLY.The SVT fire the 7.62x54 round which is bigger the the 7.62x39. The SVT also wasn't produced in massive numbers and only issued sparingly. Aside from all those troops who had them for those big May Day celebrations in Red Square. The SVT was thought too complicated for the average Red Army soldier,hence it USUALLY being issued to NCO's or snipers. I have an SVT-40,got it about 20 years ago when they were relatively cheap at $400. Now you can't touch them much for under $800. IF you're lucky. Mine also wasn't refurbished or reblued,and doesn't have the import stamps on it. |
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Jan 4, 2010 14:30:25 GMT -5
Post by sarge12 on Jan 4, 2010 14:30:25 GMT -5
Im sorry i dont know much about the Russian side of the war,
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SKS AEG
Jan 4, 2010 14:35:48 GMT -5
Post by Flippy on Jan 4, 2010 14:35:48 GMT -5
The SVT was thought too complicated for the average Red Army soldier,hence it USUALLY being issued to NCO's or snipers. I have an SVT-40,got it about 20 years ago when they were relatively cheap at $400. Now you can't touch them much for under $800. IF you're lucky. You thought US, but it's other by us: sometimes 3 of them occures parallel on that site, and no one buys one. I think they can't be exported to foreign country... |
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Post by werekiss on Jan 7, 2010 1:49:05 GMT -5
Sorry for saying this now, but do you know a reliable dealer that has them in stock? |
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Post by Fusilier on Jan 7, 2010 6:10:00 GMT -5
The SVT was thought too complicated for the average Red Army soldier,hence it USUALLY being issued to NCO's or snipers. I have an SVT-40,got it about 20 years ago when they were relatively cheap at $400. Now you can't touch them much for under $800. IF you're lucky. You thought US, but it's other by us: sometimes 3 of them occures parallel on that site, and no one buys one. I think they can't be exported to foreign country... >> HUH?  |
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SKS AEG
Jan 7, 2010 17:00:07 GMT -5
Post by petermartin14 on Jan 7, 2010 17:00:07 GMT -5
hahaha! what?
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Jan 10, 2010 12:51:36 GMT -5
Post by Flippy on Jan 10, 2010 12:51:36 GMT -5
Some minimal change required before I paint it(to get more glossy finish):  |
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SKS AEG
Jan 18, 2010 13:37:11 GMT -5
Post by Flippy on Jan 18, 2010 13:37:11 GMT -5
I spraypainted the parts shiny black to get more glossy finish...   Morrow I make the woodbox for the moldmaking... |
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SKS AEG
Jan 18, 2010 15:01:08 GMT -5
Post by sovietcossack101 on Jan 18, 2010 15:01:08 GMT -5
Looks great. Can't wait to see the final product.
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, maybe I can make it)...
beacuse these parts are rare by me, and I can't buy from US webshops, beacuse as I know none weaponparts can cross the US border(or just too intricately, or illegal)... so I have to make everything with my own hands...
