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Post by 101airborne on Oct 25, 2008 14:11:30 GMT -5
 to  I don't think I could make the Garand, so I am going to try this. This seems pretty easy, I'm sure the FAMAS mags would be accurate for a M1 Carbine? I am going to try and do this, maybe I can have it done in a couple months. Have any of you guys made one of these? I want a Marushin Garand, but I also want a AEG Carbine in case I can't use it at a snowy event. |
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Post by Sgt_Tom on Oct 25, 2008 14:18:26 GMT -5
I don't think anyones ever attempted a conversion like this. The M14 to garand is a fairly simple conversion and there are easy to read directions available. Though If you want to try this M1 Carbine conversion go ahead and good luck.
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Post by 101airborne on Oct 25, 2008 14:27:16 GMT -5
I want to do a AEG Carbine because I've heard that gas guns don't work well in the winter. This true?
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Post by Sgt_Tom on Oct 26, 2008 15:59:34 GMT -5
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Post by YankeeDiv26 on Oct 26, 2008 16:27:56 GMT -5
I want to do a AEG Carbine because I've heard that gas guns don't work well in the winter. This true? As far as the M1 carbine goes, in my opinion they function really well in the cold. 101steasykid and I used ours ( 8mm no blow back marushin m1 carbines) and in about 17deg F weather they worked great with green gas. I would definitely not try to convert a FAMAS into an M1 carbine. I have no clue to how it would look and function. <YD> |
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Post by motokid351 on Oct 26, 2008 16:59:20 GMT -5
dude, if i was you id try it with a Marushin super enforcer 8mm. its green gas and 8mm. it looks like it has the exact same Marushin m1 carbine guts, with a different bod. all youd have to do is put those internals in an original m1 carbine stock, and get a longer barrel. i was gonna do it, but currently its not to high on my list of things to do. go for it
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Post by Retrohead on Oct 26, 2008 18:43:55 GMT -5
Your kidding wright? ???I wouldnt doubt that even the most skilled of all modmen would shy away from attempting this. The mags are nothing near identical, and i have my bets on the fact that the internals of a FAMAS are WAY to big to fit inside the stock of an M1 carbine.
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Post by Adler69 on Oct 26, 2008 20:48:08 GMT -5
The FAMAS is a weapon that is chambered for the 5.56mm NATO round , the mags are completely different from the M1 Carbine mags.
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Post by biged on Oct 27, 2008 6:13:29 GMT -5
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Post by troyluginbill on Oct 27, 2008 20:32:31 GMT -5
nope, nope and nope on all accounts. I have been trying this for two years and have modded an MP40, MP7 and uzi gearbox to try to fit. The m1 is too thin to accomodate any current gearbox without cutting it all to shreds. I am waiting for the JLS berretta storm gearbox to see if that has a low enough profile. If that doesn't work I am actually going to try to design a gearbox from scratch.
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Post by click on Oct 28, 2008 4:14:07 GMT -5
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Post by biged on Oct 28, 2008 5:53:08 GMT -5
Troy, If you get serious about the gearbox I have a friend who machines the Billet v2 gearboxes. He may be able to help. PM me I should be able to dig up his phone number. Also look at the Top M60 gearbox design. By nature the materials are horrible, but the design is linear.  Your typical gearset when put in a straight line will not allow the piston to be drawn back without raking the spur gear. A Thompson or P90 (v6) spur gear (smaller diameter) will allow the clearance for the piston. The dimensions of the M1 Carbine are very tight. ///ed/// |
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Post by blitz on Oct 28, 2008 15:00:31 GMT -5
Isn't Tommygunner making one soon?
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Post by troyluginbill on Oct 28, 2008 17:31:58 GMT -5
click, I hope he does manage one. The tight confines of the carbine body require either a new gearbox or massive reconstruction of one. Even the ones that have been done with massive reconstruction are at least 1/2 inch taller than a real steel piece and have to have the mag feed to the chamber through a long tube (which means no low/midcaps.) The motor has to be mounted in the front wood section ahead of the bolt/breech. I have come up with some pretty radical designs such as a reverse firing piston that pushes air into a hop up that mounts up and back over the gearbox!
Because of these needs I am looking at making a whole new gearbox, probably using MP7 gearset in a long thin gearbox. If I could figure out a way to run piston teeth off the back of the piston on top via a long rod then I can run the whole deal in a long thin box. The whole assembly cannot be more than 1.5 inches high!.
Biged the M60 gear box looks promising! I have access to one so will have to take a look at it. The whole bellows system caused me to discount it before I even started. Didn't PGC make a piston and gear set to replace the bellows?
At this point I have 400.00 dollars into an M1 carbine. I will make it work, it is just a matter of time and money.
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Post by biged on Oct 29, 2008 4:46:05 GMT -5
The PGC gearbox for the Top M60 never came to be. PGC did make one for the Top M249.
That gearbox is now produced by Star for the Star 249. Which is only slightly smaller than an MP40 gearbox.
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Post by zbear on Oct 31, 2008 7:45:21 GMT -5
Radical design idea follows:
make a two piece stock with no sling cut out.
have the motor and battery in the stock with a shaft drive up to the mech box it could save a little space and keep the profile the right size
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Post by troyluginbill on Nov 2, 2008 2:14:43 GMT -5
zbear. That will be my final solution to the matter if the JLS doesn't work. I know I can fit an MP7 box in the stock and possibly a version 6. Barring that I will have to design a new gearbox.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Nov 23, 2008 14:42:01 GMT -5
I have purchased a scorpian in hopes that the gearbox and layout from that gun might be useable in a carbine project. It won't be very powerful but then neither was a carbine.
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Post by m40a3 on Nov 23, 2008 21:10:16 GMT -5
Since the famas is a bull pup how would you load the M1?
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Post by 2nd Bat on Nov 23, 2008 21:54:31 GMT -5
Clearly the Bullpup FAMAS is way out in the cosmos in terms of being possible but the search for a solution goes on and I'd love to see future posts with regard to any successes on the quest for a carbine AEG. Clearly there are a lot of mids working on it and someone somewhere is going to bust the carbine challenge. I thought Troyluckinbill had it as his efforts seemed to be drawing close but as is so often the case these things are more elusive then they initially appear. He's $400.00 in materials and two years in the process now. Hopefully once he figures it out it will be replicable for reasonable dollars. A Carbine AEG would be an awesome addition to our available choices.
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Post by maccrage on Nov 23, 2008 22:21:37 GMT -5
Of course, once he does manage to make one, the Chinese companies will, too. ;D
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Post by jmhpa on Nov 23, 2008 23:43:32 GMT -5
How about the gearbox from an AEG pistol? Would that work, I mean, I think its small enough...The problem would be the mag...
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Post by biged on Nov 24, 2008 5:37:44 GMT -5
Troy, Look at the Marui Mac-10. AEP with nice range.
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Post by m5a11943 on Nov 29, 2008 9:12:23 GMT -5
From what I have seen here I don't think it would work.
Unfortunetly you have to keep looking, but never fear so are all of us. If you want to accept my two cents I think you have to look for a gear box that has the upper part set back farther back. Look at the position of the trigger and mag placement on the real thing and try to find a simular setup in a current airsoft gun.
As 2nd Bat said it would be a smaller unit and not as powerful.
Another thing is I don't think a real wooden stock could be used.
I did a conversion to the gas Carbine to the M1A1 and it was not easy. Ask Sam he has seen it. Probably still wants to buy it from me. I could part with it but it is the gas one.
Good luck
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Post by m5a11943 on Dec 1, 2008 8:58:54 GMT -5
One more thing that I just thought of, the good ole Thompson has the kind of gear box that I think you should be looking for, only smaller. The reason I say that you would have to go with a plastic stock is the very limited space for everything. It would be a very tight fit to get the batteries in one. I think the only real working verison would be the M1A1.
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Post by troyluginbill on Dec 16, 2008 23:53:29 GMT -5
Heres a thought. I am still playing with it. An MP7 box would fit if the mag was a permanent attachment and the gearbox stuck down into the mag a little ways. The mag would be fixed, the battery in the stock, probably have some sort of tube mag or hi-cap gravity mag under the foregrip top stock. I am still not sure about this fix though as it really removes alot of cool factor. I might do it in the interim while I make a gearbox. I have a preliminary design based on the uzi gearbox (reverses the whole deal and uses important bits of it (such as the reverse piston system.)
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