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Post by blitz on Nov 30, 2008 12:31:40 GMT -5
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Post by 2nd Bat on Nov 30, 2008 13:48:55 GMT -5
Yikes. It would appear that you have cut through in the area where you wanted to just cut down to create a tub for the hop up unit. (Not cut all the way through) The only areas where you needed to cut through was where the trigger assembly (without the trigger ring) was going to slide through and the area to the rear of the hop up where the magazine would need to insert.
You still have a lot of cutting and shaping to do.
I would go ahead and cut through where the mag well is going to go and cut through the trigger area. Both have stock bolts to fight through so it isn't easy cutting. A great idea when you're cutting is to mask tape off the fringe of where you're making your cuts. That will serve as a guide and keep the drill or dremel from gouging the wood you don't want to cut into. As you go, do little sections at a time and continually check your alignments and inner shapes. As for the cut that's already through and in the wrong place once you're completely done. Cut a shape of plastic (perhaps the thickness of a credit card and wedge it into the hole at the table point where the bottom of the hop up would be and aligned with the front of your magazine. Glue it into place and then once it's dry and solid use resin filler to fill in the area and mask and blend it into the bottom of your stock. You can also use this filler to fill in shapes where you gouged out too much or made other errors.
Take your time and double check first before any cuts. My father always used to say. "Measure twice, cut once and pound to fit." (He was partially serious!) Don't try to force anything.
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Post by blitz on Dec 3, 2008 16:38:36 GMT -5
I think I'm just going to get a new stock. Thanks for the tips when i work on the new one.
Where would be a good place to get a (non smelly) stock?
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Post by CharleyNovember on Dec 3, 2008 19:12:54 GMT -5
Stocks come in various manners of smelly that is just the way surplus stocks go. On to your questions. I think John is right you seem to have cut all the way through on the trigger section. That can still be fixed, and it may be mostly hidden by the trigger guard once in place. . Also you seem to have cut too far up the stock where your mag will sit and past where the mag catch will sit again fixable with some wood dope. Here is a picture of roughly where you want to cut for the mag slot and catch. As you can see you went a little past it. You want to make you back end about midway where the bolt goes through the front of the trigger guard and through the stock holding to the real steel receiver. and then forward to where you are going to have the mag catch. It is also hand to cut the recoil lug down and epoxy it in place sometimes I have left it in and milled a slot in it though.  The other thing you are going to need to modify is the triggerguard area. I have included another picture for you. The red area needs to be cut off. What you have left will slide nicely into place. You will also need to widen the hole that the RS trigger slides through or sand down the BAR10 trigger your choice. I always just mill the hole in the trigger guard bigger to fit the BAR110 but that is me and you do not have to it that way.  Any other questions just ask. I'll give what advice I can. This does illustrate however why some people choose to pay others to do this for them....It also inspires others to say hey I can do this...I'm fine either way.  |
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Post by blitz on Dec 3, 2008 19:19:25 GMT -5
Thanks for the pictures!
Im 15 so this is a good project for me, as I cant spare the money for someone else to make it.
Its been quite the adventure, and is by far the hardest project I've ever done!
As for stocks, where do you guys usually get them? I wasn't too satisfied with my ebay Yugo one, and prefer to get a higher quality one if Im putting the work into it!
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Post by 2nd Bat on Dec 3, 2008 20:30:19 GMT -5
Gun shows tend to offer the best value. One other tip to add. If you hollowing to a certain depth and don't want to drill all the way through. Such as where the hop up portions drops down into the stock. Use a drill (preferably a drill press) and mark the point on the drill bit itself that indicates your stop point. That way you get the right depth and don't push through. As mentioned elsewhere also tape off the edges of your cut so there is something that will both guide you in your cuts and protect the exposed stocks areas should you slip a bit.
The stock you have pretty much butchered is still salvageable but it will never represent and especially pristine finished rpoduct. The good news is your creating a weapon of war and in the course of field use they did end up looking like they had been through....a war!
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Post by blitz on Dec 3, 2008 20:47:43 GMT -5
Gun shows tend to offer the best value. One other tip to add. If you hollowing to a certain depth and don't want to drill all the way through. Such as where the hop up portions drops down into the stock. Use a drill (preferably a drill press) and mark the point on the drill bit itself that indicates your stop point. That way you get the right depth and don't push through. As mentioned elsewhere also tape off the edges of your cut so there is something that will both guide you in your cuts and protect the exposed stocks areas should you slip a bit. The stock you have pretty much butchered is still salvageable but it will never represent and especially pristine finished rpoduct. The good news is your creating a weapon of war and in the course of field use they did end up looking like they had been through....a war! Gun shows are hard to come by around here, so Ill stick to the internet. Thanks for the tip for the drill bit, as I was using my dremel, and it turned out messy. |
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Post by 2nd Bat on Dec 4, 2008 0:04:19 GMT -5
I see on Ebay there is a nice Czec VZ stock complete with all the hardware at a remakably low price. That may of course change as it draws closer to closing but for now it's a real good deal.
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Post by blitz on Dec 4, 2008 19:25:24 GMT -5
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Post by CharleyNovember on Dec 4, 2008 20:41:41 GMT -5
Laminated is several pieces of wood glued together where as the other solid stocks are one whole piece of lumber. Either works fine for the conversion. The Ebay listing you have is a Vz not a K98 it is very similar and they were used in mass by the German army during the war but definatley NOT a K98 stock. The stock you have is certainly useable. Should you want to get rid of it let me know through PM.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Dec 4, 2008 23:10:44 GMT -5
That was the VZ stock I was talking about obviously it won't stay at the .99 cents but if bought cheap enough it would work well for a conversion I would think.
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Post by blitz on Dec 7, 2008 8:44:44 GMT -5
Well I cut out the mag well using my drill, some new chisels and files, along with my dremel cutting wheels. It turned out very nicely. Before I go on with that area of the project, I have one more question: Do you have to cut any of the mid part of the stock to allow the VSR outer barrel to fit snugly?
Also, I got Bondo (is this the right stuff?) and plan on filling in the areas where I messed up near the trigger. For now I'm going to hold of on the hop up area. My plans for that are to build a frame out of small pieces of wood and then bondo over it like said. Looking at the pictures from CharleyNovember's mag catch thread, i should only have to cover up a small portion of the hop up unit. (is this the same with the Bar 10?)
I'll try to post pictures later, and thanks for all of the help once again.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Dec 7, 2008 12:29:50 GMT -5
The layout for the Marui VSR hop up and the VSR Clones (including the BAR 10) are virtually identical. Bondo is one of several types of resin paste that you could use and would probably be the best application to use with your repair. Glad you didn't give up on this.
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Post by blitz on Dec 7, 2008 15:54:06 GMT -5
Here is the progress so far:    The new cuts are a lot cleaner. Its going take a good amount of bondoing to fix some of the gaps on the bottom near the trigger, mostly due to the stock being larger than the Dboys trigger guard, and the fit isn't snug. If I ever do another conversion (which i will most likely be doing, maybe a Mosin), I'm going to be using real steal parts. The magazine area of the trigger guard split! Must be the pot metal that goes into these Chinese guns... I also need to get a wooden handguard. What type of license would be required to buy a original Kar98? |
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Post by CharleyNovember on Dec 7, 2008 16:02:25 GMT -5
You can't buy one as a 15 yo.
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Post by blitz on Dec 7, 2008 16:24:18 GMT -5
You can't buy one as a 15 yo. Couldn't my parents? I would be taking it apart anyways. |
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Post by blitz on Jan 3, 2009 14:31:51 GMT -5
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Post by toboggan on Jan 3, 2009 16:42:45 GMT -5
i dont think you NEED to, but if you want to be safe you can always wear one!
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Post by blitz on Jan 3, 2009 17:33:02 GMT -5
i dont think you NEED to, but if you want to be safe you can always wear one! Since it's so cold out, I need to work with the garage door closed, so i'm thinking it might be a good idea to get one.  |
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Post by blitz on Jan 26, 2009 20:07:27 GMT -5
Update:
This project is abandoned for now. The bondo in the stock didn't hold, so thats done with. The rest of the stock is all scratched and is in even worse shape now. Everyone in my family agreed not to touch my workbench, but that didn't last long. I went out to the garage one day to find everyones crap all over my BAR10 and stock. Plus, tonight my sister stepped on the barrel of my Bar10 after i cleaned it of the former abuses, so its now bent. 7 months of labor to end in total failure. (and a couple hundred dollars gone)
So im pretty mad.
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Post by shadycadence on Jan 26, 2009 20:36:18 GMT -5
Instead of bondo, have you considered pieces of wood and some wood glue? I've seen it work wonders. And you can get a new tube for a barrel, is the inner bent too? I'm sure you could find a used one if you need to. This can be a moment to build yourself as well as your gun. NEVER abandon a project until you've exhausted every possibility.  The true measure of an individual's character is not how well they accept success, it is how well they accept adversity. Press on, despite any setback. You WILL win. ;D That's not saying you can't shelve it for a while. |
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Post by blitz on Jan 26, 2009 20:42:24 GMT -5
The stock really isnt salvageable, and after all of the work I would like to have a nice looking one. As for the barrel and other parts, it is going to be nearly $50 to fix the gun...but for another $50 I could get a new Bar10 and never have any problems. On top of this I will need to buy almost all of the Kar98 parts in their real steel form because the pot metal on the dboys melts and breaks after alot of Dremel work. (sights, trigger guard)
I still want a Kar98 as I want a gun that has a lot o work put into it and something that is truly a beautiful gun. Nothing beats the feeling of holding something you've built with your bare hands.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jan 26, 2009 21:12:53 GMT -5
Shadeycadences advice is excellent. You have clearly had some set backs and disappointments. With these projects it's virtually inevitable. Take a break for a while and then focus all your energy on what you might be able to do NOT what already happened. I have found that Dyna glass is stronger and more adherent than bondo which can be somewhat brittle and non pliant. Whatever you use you need to mix it thoroughly and over coat, wait for it to thoroughly harden and then carefully sand and file back into shpae using multiple layers. It's time consuming and can try your patience but it actually works quite well.
Your candor in sharing your challenges is a great heads up for others considering such a project however and I'm sure the readers appreciate it.
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Post by blitz on Jan 28, 2009 18:56:02 GMT -5
After a few days of taking a break, and forgetting the troubles I've had, Im ready to take a stab at this again. I really have learned alot from you guys helping me, and from working. Im going to go with a higher quality stock this time, but not a real German one. (I cant destroy history!) Tonight I'm going to order one of these: www.e-gunparts.com/DisplayAd.asp?chrProductSKU=851600&chrSuperSKU=&MC=
I feel much more confident now.EDIT- Im going to try and finish up with the stock I have before I dish out another $80 in this project. I'm going to ask a carpenter who is doing some work on our house for some advice on how to fix this. He's always willing to help me with my projects. I think after a good sanding this stock will look fine. Now I feel like i'm having a conversation with myself online ;D |
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