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Post by 2nd Bat on Jan 8, 2009 23:32:31 GMT -5
With tweaks and refinements here and there I think I have once and for all finalized my M1 Airsoft Garand AEG offering. Forget version one or version two here is the latest and current offering. The gun is produced for sale as a fully finished, out of the box semi automatic AEG. It comes with a fully revised lower stock. The base version (shown) is simulated wood. The stock is thicker and shape enhanced to be almost exactly like a Garand. The butt plate flap is eliminated and filled as are the stock bolts. The receiver group and stock features full elimination of the selector switch and elimination of the charging handle brace. There is a base plate cover which is removable for skirmishing but enhances the appearance when displayed. The clips fit flush and in fact are recessed inside the mag well. The receiver group is further modified to reduce visual infidelities. The entire front gas reservoir assembly, handguards and a great deal of hardware are actual surplus deactivated Garand parts. Here is a side by side comparison with my original offering (version one) Note the tweaks and enhancements, the fuller more robust lower stock especially through the mag well area. The base gun is a CYMA 032 which after using all the variants has proven to be the best value with high reliability and excellent performance. They shoot at a consistent chrono'd 356 FPS with .20 gram Bbs. The hop up is not as crisp as the system offered on the truly excellent Marui but it is very, very close and I will happily use a Marui as a base for an extra $200.00! if you want to start out at 290 FPS! The introductory price with all the enhancements is $560.00 plus shipping and includes 3, 15 round clips, a custom owners manual, unjamming rod, battery and charger and a speed loader. Options include, full, wood stock $220.00 (Not sold seperately) A six pack bandoleer of spare clips $86.00. A padded OD canvas WW2 style carry case $29.00 and a leather sling for $28.00. These can be ordered seperately. The finish is custom done and your choices are: Dark Walnut, (Shown) Medium stock, combined with your choice of Flat Black, Medium Parkerization (shown) or aged mixed metals and aged wood as might be seen on a field weapon. A limited number are available for immediate delivery. Ask about remaining version ones and twos if interested. They start at $495.00. I am very proud of this latest edition and appreciate all the encouragement and input from my customers throughout the world who have pestered me into these more authentic enhancements. They constitute more labor but I believe are worth the extra time and cost. I thought some major manufacturer would get in the game and build a Garand AEG years ago and continue to be shocked that none have. Until one does I continue to consider my offering by far your best choice for a ready to go, skirmishable replica Garand and a great value for a custom gun.
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Post by deacon on Jan 9, 2009 1:26:10 GMT -5
damn, i need a job.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jan 13, 2009 19:36:45 GMT -5
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jan 19, 2009 13:43:18 GMT -5
I rented out five Garands at Long Winter which served as an excellent field test of the weapons. Two of the renters were 14 so you can imagine what that could be like. They definitely got put through their paces. If the guys had had more time to practive reloads and familiarization of the weapons I'm sure they would have done even better with them but as it was they did extremely well. One renter bulled too hard on the battery and Tamiya clip in the heat of battle and yanked the clip off. (Youth!!!!) One of the wood stocks, split at the stock neck but this came about as a result of the actual Garand sling hardware failing. Apparently the screw holding the front sling in place popped out and the rifle then pivotted backward, struck hard ground and caused a split in the wood. It was serviceable for the duration of the event thanks to duct tape but the stock is ruined and had to be thrown out. Another of the Garands lost the front gas assembly but it was one attached as I used to do with simple interior friction tape. The ones using the current process held fine. I no longer use the original approach.
All of the rifles got filthy dirty and need cleanup and a thorough inspection. Aside from the split stock nothing requiring more than a simple fix and general cleanup.
A weekend event in cold damp weather with completely inexperienced and young renters was a great test and has helped me refine and improve my products.
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Post by pretzeljager on Feb 4, 2009 21:53:09 GMT -5
Ohhh..really want one but don't have the $$.
Any help an a spring M14.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Feb 10, 2009 0:55:17 GMT -5
Why in the world would anyone go to the trouble and effort to convert a springer M14 to a garand. You'd exhaust nearly as much effort and expense only to end up with a rifle that could not hold its own in a skirmish. The base rifles CYMA 032s or AGMs only cost $125 to 150.00 or so. (Even cheaper if you buy them used) When compared to a springer M14 the savings can't begin to be significant enough to justify not going with an AEG unless you planned to fabricate all the added components (hand guards and front gas assembly) and then the labor and time required would offset the expense. Doing a springer Garand is just numb unless you're incredibly bored, have lots of time and absolutley no money. In which case ...get a job!
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Post by pretzeljager on Feb 10, 2009 20:10:07 GMT -5
;D Point taken 2nd bat. It was just I do not go to ANY battles ( Just fight ultra-realistically with buds ). So the amount saved be doing a half-looking decent M1 job will save countless dollars. And I have time, lots of it and no money It doesn't have to be hard-core reenactor authentic, but it just has to look "WW2-ish". Every look under my username? it tells it all.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Feb 10, 2009 23:42:39 GMT -5
It's your money and your spare time!
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Post by 2nd Bat on Feb 12, 2009 22:53:12 GMT -5
I submitted a press release for Airsoft EU yesterday which they posted immediately. This is something I havent done in well over a year. It definitely generates a lot of inquiries and already has closed some sales. That's good as I felt like I had a lot of unsold rifles nearing completion. I have already ordered another batch of base rifles and components as the ones I have in process will shortly be spoken for.
Tommy Gunner if you have some Enfields completed and unsold I would think your offerings would get gobbled up immediately
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Post by TommyGunner on Feb 13, 2009 2:00:15 GMT -5
I would LOVE to put up a press release up but I simply do not have the time to produce the expected quantity of weapons beyond the months of May - August. I go to school full time and live on campus at the college I attend. This past fall and Spring semester (2008-09) I have turned down about 20 orders (people litterally wanting to pay now!) at $430 per gun thats $8,600 in orders I had to turn down becuase I didnt have the time.
As a result of my early start up operations for my first 5 rifles I built them individually and eventually figured out how to semi mass produce them. If I want to take large ammounts of orders I will have to between now and May10th produce enough parts to make between 20-30 guns and each rifle will have to be reserved.
At the same time I plan to release my AEG Sten MKIII this summer as well. So this means I will have to set a strict limit on how many Stens and Enfields I build so I do not run over into the school months with building.
Im expecting large orders on Enfields and Stens should I release a press release. I will however launch one in May after I have completed enough parts to gear up for the expected orders. There will however be a limit as to how many I will sell and I do not allow pre orders becuase I want to be sure the customer gets their guns in a timely matter ( My last buyer was very very very patient with his order and I think him dearly for it!!!)
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Post by 2nd Bat on Feb 13, 2009 18:33:43 GMT -5
That's smart and the responsible thing to do. From your picture I thought perhaps you had some pre-done and available and based on my experience a simple posting on Airsoft EU would clear them out.
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Post by tinydata on Feb 13, 2009 19:52:12 GMT -5
Maybe you should just mention the extremely limited release. Keep an update and announce that you've sold them all when you reach your limit. Either way, it'd bring in lots of orders.
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Post by TommyGunner on Feb 15, 2009 12:33:04 GMT -5
Yeah I deffinatly will be posting something up in May on Airsoft EU. From what I see and everyone has said the ammount of sales I can generate will be fantastic.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Feb 15, 2009 15:35:31 GMT -5
You will certainly want to have a batch pre-done and ready access the parts you need to do more. In the simple posting I had up I sold off everything I had and have some new sales I'm scrambling to get built. I'll have them done and out in two weeks. I'm waiting on the newest wood stocks with the flush upper right hand sections that eliminate the selector switch and charging handle braces.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Mar 6, 2009 22:06:58 GMT -5
I have as of this morning built , sold and shipped 182 M1 Garands if I count the early kits I did. The original ones for those who have been around long enough were $750.00 and they are now substantially improved and are $560.00. The most significant enhancements are stock details, build methods and the affordable and available flush mounted clips. I have throughly enjoyed the project and the process but have to say given that my original goal was to sell 100 of them I am fgoing to limit my production to 200 total which means I am willing to make just 12 more. If you want you will have to build your own. (Not that hard and frankly a very worthwhile project) or get your order in before I sell out. As before the rifles will include three clips, will use a CYMO 032 base (which has proven to be an excellent base gun) a battery and charger an unjamming rod a speed loader and a custom owners manual with maintenance and care instructions as well as illustrations for disassembly should you wish to upgrade or repair the weapon. It will arrive in it's original box and shoot at 356 FPS right out of the box. You can select stock and handguard finishes in Dark Walnut or Medium finish and you can choose metal finishes in Uniform Flat Black, Medium gun metal or mixed aged metals. For the aged metals I will likewise slightly distress the wood bits to create a field used appearance. Shipping in the US ranges from $16.00 to $22.00 and Europe is approximately $64.00 (It went up unfortunately)
PM me for availability and delivery estimates. I try to complete and ship within three weeks of the order.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2009 11:34:25 GMT -5
2nd Bat, those rifles are beautiful! Excellent job. Can't wait to see some in person at Jump For Destiny or before. Kind of makes me want to put together a US impression too... Great work though. -Andy
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Post by Gabe on Mar 10, 2009 9:07:42 GMT -5
From what I've seen on my friends m1 garand, I would recommend bluing the barrel. I have an m-14 as well, once I blued the agm barrel, it looked pretty cool. In the future though I plan on converting a real sks over to airsoft.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Mar 10, 2009 12:58:28 GMT -5
I match my rifles to the appearance of WW2 era rifles not contemporary or fresh issue or sportarized Garands. As such the customer can choose from a very dark Grey (Almost a Flat Black), A medium parkerized flat grey as shown or a slightly distressed mixed metal finish which frankly mirrors the appearance of most field used Garands during the war. Bluing would look pretty of course but was not done on WW2 military issued Garands.
Good luck with the SKS there are others making the effort as well. There are numerous challenges of course with any conversion or custom rifle endeavor but the efforts contribute greatly to our hobby.
Keep us posted with pictures.
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Post by Seff on Mar 10, 2009 15:27:15 GMT -5
Bluing would look pretty of course but was not done on WW2 military issued Garands. True. IIRC it was done to a few Korea era rifles, but they're not very common.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Mar 13, 2009 0:07:41 GMT -5
Two more sold tonight! I am going to be a busy boy over the next several weeks!
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Post by Adler69 on Mar 13, 2009 0:13:34 GMT -5
That's great news John , pretty soon every GI will be armed with 2nd Bat Garand's.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Mar 13, 2009 1:31:19 GMT -5
probably not since I will be building four more of them and that will put me at 200 total and I am hanging it up. I was sure the Chinese would jump in with their own but no such luck. Maybe with the success of the MP40 and MP 44. I ended up with twice as many as I ever imagined I'd build and I'm sure another 200 have built their own so there are actually quite a few pseudo Garands out there running around. Obviously enough to show there is a market especially if they were accurately replicated, skirmishable and affordable and there is NO REASON they couldn't be. Are you listening AGM? ?? I will gladly provide free technical advice and readily assist them in making them right.
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Post by TommyGunner on Mar 13, 2009 2:27:58 GMT -5
What a great run! I remember when you first started building them and what a treat it was to see two of them in person here in Illinois.
I think we all speak the same when we say thank you. Your Garand project has shown that a small garage workshop can turn out an armory worth of guns. I would hope to see you continue to make them maybe on a limited 5 rifle run basis just to keep them flowing to the market. But 200 is a great number! I can only hope to reach that number with my rifles as Im using the funds from them for my college tuition lol.
Thanks agian you have been a great asset to the community.
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Post by Obergefreiter Raimund on Mar 13, 2009 5:41:51 GMT -5
Nice looking Grand! I wonder if i'll see any at the May game in CT...
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Post by 2nd Bat on Mar 14, 2009 14:35:28 GMT -5
You absolutely will since I am building and shipping at least three specifically for that event and there a few already in the hands of folks planning to go.
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Post by CptJericho on Sept 2, 2009 14:48:10 GMT -5
Ever plan on making a cheaper version for all of us that are a little strapped for cash?
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Post by airbornerocks on Sept 2, 2009 15:21:18 GMT -5
Don't bump
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Post by CptJericho on Sept 2, 2009 15:44:54 GMT -5
i didnt bump i just posted
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Post by airbornerocks on Sept 2, 2009 15:56:14 GMT -5
it's from march
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Post by Sgt_Tom on Sept 2, 2009 16:19:49 GMT -5
Well 2nd Bat has stopped making them for the time being. Making one of these M1 Garand from an M14 cost around $220 if you take your time shopping on ebay and at gun shows. However 2nd Bat doesn't usually have the time to do that so I am guessing one of these Garands runs him about $350 and then he has to make some profit out of it. So yea the price adds up. The only way to do this cheaply is if someone could mold the metal fittings: Gas Cylinder, gas lock, gas screw, Buttplate, etc....
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