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Post by Russian on Apr 15, 2006 18:17:46 GMT -5
Just for clarification, where the HBT uniforms and the wool uniforms mixed? Could one wear HBT trousers with a service shirt? Thanks
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Post by mauser98k on Apr 15, 2006 18:32:53 GMT -5
Yes, as they were worn on top of the wools, so if you were to take off the HBT shirt, you would have the service shirt right underneath.
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Post by Russian on Apr 15, 2006 18:55:32 GMT -5
Alright, thanks. I will never get used to these US Uniforms....Russian ones make so much more sense.
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Post by Capt. Zak on Apr 15, 2006 19:56:14 GMT -5
Alright, thanks. I will never get used to these US Uniforms....Russian ones make so much more sense. What? The Russian uniform was a peasant uniform. Some guys were only issued a belt & a canteen. And for god sakes they had to bring a spoon from home!
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Post by Capt. Zak on Apr 15, 2006 20:01:37 GMT -5
To answer your question regarding wools & HBT's. Wools were worn because even when wet they could trap body heat. The HBT's were worn over the wools for 3 reasons. 1. gas protection. 2. to theoretically keep the wools cleaner. 3. The OD HBT's offered a little better camo than the khaki M41 field jacket.
The HBT was more of a combat uniform. In hot weather however, HBT's were worn and the wools packed away. Any combination is ok if you're not doing a "D-Day" impression. I often wear HBT trousers, flannel field shirt, & my M41. If the weather takes a nose dive...I'll throw my HBT jacket under my M41.
You can wear the HBT jacket/shirt under or over the M41. But DO NOT put any insignia on the HBT.
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Post by Russian on Apr 15, 2006 20:20:54 GMT -5
So, for these summer months ahead of us, you would suggest having a pair of HBTs handy, eh?
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Post by Gordak on Apr 16, 2006 9:55:55 GMT -5
true combat troops, even in the scorching summer of 1944, wore the following, tanktop, wool shirt hbt, m41 jacket, thats 4 layers!!!! Watch saving pvt ryan! you'll see they actually wear all that clothing!
the advantage is, when you want to sleep, you just lay down. Eventually, your body adjusts to the multiple layers, and you don't overheat!! Not enough time to adjust for 1 weekend reenactment though. Though you can try!
-Gordak
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Post by frenchy on Apr 16, 2006 11:51:00 GMT -5
but saving pvt ryan was a movie..i bet they were asking the same questions we do
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Post by savoy6 on Apr 16, 2006 14:25:04 GMT -5
well, if we are talking about N. Europe...then yes....also the M43's were used the same way with the tan wool shirt.. in the MTO summer meant wearing the fatigues by themselves.. in the pacific the HBT's were used almost exclusively as a combat uniform.though in rear areas alot of folks wore the HBT pants with the khaki cotton shirt and khaki overseas cap as a duty uniform.
just as an aside Sam,i would have thought you would have been the last one to reference a MOVIE.....lol...
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Post by m1junny on Apr 16, 2006 14:47:32 GMT -5
but saving pvt ryan was a movie..i bet they were asking the same questions we do what they were wearing in the movie was surprisingly enough CORRECT for normandy time period... (most of the times movies fail to do that...)
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Post by tech5 on Apr 16, 2006 15:02:30 GMT -5
In terms of not putting insignia on the HBT uniforms, they did however put their rank on their HBTS sometimes painted on with black paint and sometimes sewn on. Usually Enlisted
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Post by savoy6 on Apr 16, 2006 19:11:25 GMT -5
the stenciling or painting of rank onto the fatigues was more of a rear echelon practice....army regs required that NCOs have ranks dispayed on their HBTs but many didn't for the simple fact such a dispay would get the attenton of snipers in the field...especailly in the PTO.marking rank onto the hbts became more common during korea than in WW2..and yes ,i know there will probably be an oodle of pics getting posted that show inked on ranks..and i could post some without....but when you look at the pics try and find whether they are actual front line ones or ones just behind the lines...or worse yet rear echelon..lol....just think to yourself..would you permanently mark something onto a daily use uniform that may get you shot?most guys in a line unit already know who is an nco or officer and wouldn't need a reminder that might get their friends killed..
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Post by 5thrangerinfantry on Apr 16, 2006 19:34:12 GMT -5
Wools were also impregnated for gas protection - the 5th Rangers for instance had only the wools - and they hated them too. true combat troops, even in the scorching summer of 1944, wore the following, tanktop, wool shirt hbt, m41 jacket, thats 4 layers!!!! Watch saving pvt ryan! you'll see they actually wear all that clothing! the advantage is, when you want to sleep, you just lay down. Eventually, your body adjusts to the multiple layers, and you don't overheat!! Not enough time to adjust for 1 weekend reenactment though. Though you can try! -Gordak Fighting took place in Normany and northern France from june til sept of '44. If you look on a globe, even those of us in Upstate New York are a bit south in relation to that area so the weather here will be much warmer than it will be there. In june of 44, the average temperature for Normandy, France was in the low 60's, so the layers would have been comfortable. You wouldn't really have to worry about overheating I've been to the Fort Niagara Living History weekend on Memorial Day weekend every year were the weather is a little closer to Normandy and was very cozy in wools and a 41 jacket. I also made the mistake of wearing HBT pants with a wool shirt and a 41 and I was freezing!!! Now the 1st Rangers and the 1st Div boys who landed in North Africa with wools....now they def. had to worry about overheating!
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