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T34?
Jan 7, 2010 20:02:17 GMT -5
Post by squirrelcat on Jan 7, 2010 20:02:17 GMT -5
Can someone answer a very weird question? How much money would it cost to buy a decommissioned T34? I know it might be potentially impossible without the right political status and something I'm really not even considering but would just like to know. I mean if in like 20 years I had the money and the means I would totally do it
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Jan 7, 2010 20:36:40 GMT -5
Post by sir veilance on Jan 7, 2010 20:36:40 GMT -5
One sold recently in the US for $89,000!
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Jan 7, 2010 20:41:30 GMT -5
Post by hairy apple on Jan 7, 2010 20:41:30 GMT -5
One sold recently in the US for $89,000! That's not that bad actually... if I had 90K I would buy a tank. It would be a pretty cool even if it was a hulk rusting in the yard... it would be sweet to have a tank in your yard. I have a friend who's dad has a tank engine (no idea what kind) under a trap in his shop. Why?? I have no idea. Becuase he can. Same guy used to have two PT boat engines. Wierd yeah, but kind of cool too.
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Jan 7, 2010 21:32:13 GMT -5
Post by petermartin14 on Jan 7, 2010 21:32:13 GMT -5
start saving jared!
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Jan 8, 2010 0:56:05 GMT -5
Post by 2nd Bat on Jan 8, 2010 0:56:05 GMT -5
What they would cost in 20 years is anyones guess. The TIGER tank in SPR was a modified fake TIGER built on a T34 Chassie and hence was underscale. A fellow listed an awesome 3/4 scale Tiger on Ebay at what I thought was a reasonable starting bid price but it didn't sell.
For airsoft purposes a full scale tank (with the possible exception of a few light variants would make NO sense whatsoever as all tanks have an area close in that is a "Dead zone" What that means are areas where the tanks guns are unable to engage Infantry inside that area and the tracks are actually at that point the primary weapon system. This area on many tanks extends almost out to airsoft range which means a tank by itself would be practically defenseless against Infantry unless of course you were allowed to crush people. (Not a good idea)
Tanks are cool and we have used actual armored vehicles at a number of our events but their effectiveness is more psychological than actual. A single armored vehicle is surprisingly easy to take out. Two are considerably harder and three that are working well in support of one another (especially with supporting Infantry) are very hard to defend against.
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Jan 9, 2010 11:55:01 GMT -5
Post by oberst42 on Jan 9, 2010 11:55:01 GMT -5
armor vs. armor anyone?
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Jan 9, 2010 15:55:19 GMT -5
Post by squirrelcat on Jan 9, 2010 15:55:19 GMT -5
Yeah I know. Not for airsoft just for Personal interest. I love the T34, to me it was the greatest in all tank designs of the 20th century. If I ever got that type of money I would totaly do it. You know when you think about it that really isnt an impossible dream. Small house Big tank
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Jan 9, 2010 16:15:06 GMT -5
Post by volkssturm on Jan 9, 2010 16:15:06 GMT -5
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Jan 9, 2010 23:02:46 GMT -5
Post by bluecrabofpain on Jan 9, 2010 23:02:46 GMT -5
If you're looking for a tank a T-55 is usually cheaper. There was one that went for $16,000, albeit in crummy condition.
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Feb 11, 2010 12:38:01 GMT -5
Post by rolo9thss on Feb 11, 2010 12:38:01 GMT -5
What they would cost in 20 years is anyones guess. The TIGER tank in SPR was a modified fake TIGER built on a T34 Chassie and hence was underscale. A fellow listed an awesome 3/4 scale Tiger on Ebay at what I thought was a reasonable starting bid price but it didn't sell. For airsoft purposes a full scale tank (with the possible exception of a few light variants would make NO sense whatsoever as all tanks have an area close in that is a "Dead zone" What that means are areas where the tanks guns are unable to engage Infantry inside that area and the tracks are actually at that point the primary weapon system. This area on many tanks extends almost out to airsoft range which means a tank by itself would be practically defenseless against Infantry unless of course you were allowed to crush people. (Not a good idea) Tanks are cool and we have used actual armored vehicles at a number of our events but their effectiveness is more psychological than actual. A single armored vehicle is surprisingly easy to take out. Two are considerably harder and three that are working well in support of one another (especially with supporting Infantry) are very hard to defend against. Just for the record, my blank fire reenacting unit (9th SS) was the one that had one of the SPR Tiger's here on the East Coast. I am very familiar with that particular vehicle. Yes, it is underscale, but only really in the width (about 18 inches too narrow). Height and length wise its only off by a few inches each way. The builders of the tank, First Plus Film Services over in the UK, did an excellent job in building these replicas, and added lots of small details and such to make them as realistic as possible. Tanks used in reenacting also have a safety zone around them that we are very conscious about. 25 feet is a minimum that we ever want anyone getting near the Tiger or Stug or 251/9 because of the potential for catastrophic harm to someone, and we make real sure that the event host is aware that this needs to be explained in great detail during safety briefings. No one wants to run over an overzealous bazooka operator who gets caught up in the moment trying to get a kill. Because of this safety zone, and the range limitations of airsoft weapons, armor in the field is probably not very practical. Not to mention the costs involved. Until WWII airsoft events start getting hundreds of participants, its unlikely you'll see much, if any, armor coming to an event. Simply, too many blank fire events already exist to bring stuff to with too few dollars to do it with, and its doubtful that armor owners are going to "slum" with their toys at an airsoft event when they are already passing on long established blankfire events due to financial concerns/reasons. (NOTE***I use the term "slum" not as a dig, as I enjoy airsoft, but it does have a less then favorable reputation amongst many blankfire reenactors, and many view it as not up to their level of acceptance as a legit WWII experience.)
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Feb 11, 2010 13:57:17 GMT -5
Post by Guinness on Feb 11, 2010 13:57:17 GMT -5
(NOTE***I use the term "slum" not as a dig, as I enjoy airsoft, but it does have a less then favorable reputation amongst many blankfire reenactors, and many view it as not up to their level of acceptance as a legit WWII experience.) Well frankly, those folks are wrong-thinking lunkerheads... This site has a long, long history of reaching out to the blank-fire community, many of our members are BF re-enactors and Airsoft re-enactors and we all take the responsibility of accuracy and authenticity very seriously. So honestly the tired old argument wears thin- Let me be clear that I'm not 'attacking' you personally of course- I know that your only relating what you have seen, but it really is a lame, well, almost 'school-yard' like rant of theirs if you think about it- "nah-nah-nah-nah-nah, you guys suck because you use toys and we use 'real' guns!" Yes, however our 'toys' can reach out and touch you, whereas you and your 'real gun' have to just sit there and say "Your dead, I shot you!...Did not!...did too!...did not!" Its amusing to me that our hobby is primarily comprised of a younger group and the re-enactor crowd is almost 100% adult,....yet they often act more like spoiled brats... /rant
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Feb 11, 2010 14:49:25 GMT -5
Post by kilroy9thss on Feb 11, 2010 14:49:25 GMT -5
here she is the spr tiger at its last event we took it to its only fun useing it but its not fun transporting and spending money for the low boy and permits to move it
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Feb 11, 2010 15:30:35 GMT -5
Post by rolo9thss on Feb 11, 2010 15:30:35 GMT -5
(NOTE***I use the term "slum" not as a dig, as I enjoy airsoft, but it does have a less then favorable reputation amongst many blankfire reenactors, and many view it as not up to their level of acceptance as a legit WWII experience.) Well frankly, those folks are wrong-thinking lunkerheads... This site has a long, long history of reaching out to the blank-fire community, many of our members are BF re-enactors and Airsoft re-enactors and we all take the responsibility of accuracy and authenticity very seriously. So honestly the tired old argument wears thin- Let me be clear that I'm not 'attacking' you personally of course- I know that your only relating what you have seen, but it really is a lame, well, almost 'school-yard' like rant of theirs if you think about it- "nah-nah-nah-nah-nah, you guys suck because you use toys and we use 'real' guns!" Yes, however our 'toys' can reach out and touch you, whereas you and your 'real gun' have to just sit there and say "Your dead, I shot you!...Did not!...did too!...did not!" Its amusing to me that our hobby is primarily comprised of a younger group and the re-enactor crowd is almost 100% adult,....yet they often act more like spoiled brats... /rant Agreed. I have been doing BF for 9 years, airsoft the last year or so. I really enjoy both. Recently, on the Yahoo based Wehrmacht List, there was a large discussion about WWII based airsoft, and the merits it offered. I contributed a fair amount to the discussion to try and enlighten some of the BF crowd about what they were missing. Sadly, many have already made up their minds based on pics they had seen years ago from early WWII themed AS events that had very lax standards. I posted a link to this site, as well as some others of interest. It amazes me the level of resistance put up by old school BF guys. Lame, tired arguments (guns are cheap plastic toys that don't shoot far enough, don't wanna wear goggles or a facemask, no realistic gunfire noise, weapons too expensive, etc.) that we've all probably heard a thousand times over. I still maintain that if WWII BF reenactors gave WWII AS an honest attempt, a fair amount would like it and enjoy it and the hobby would see an influx of folks from the BF world. Sadly, it seems many won't even give it a try, as old habits die hard, and the stigma of it being a "Flaggrantly Wrong, junior league" persist, despite attempts by many to correct things. Don't let it get you down, keep doing what you are doing, keep your standards high, and most of all, have fun. As they say, if you build it, they will come. After all, as I see it, the BF crowd has no idea of what they are missing. To me, for those with the snob factor at full effect and their noses in the air, its their loss.
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Feb 11, 2010 18:49:11 GMT -5
Post by CharleyNovember on Feb 11, 2010 18:49:11 GMT -5
I take consolation in the fact that the old die off...
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Feb 11, 2010 19:43:52 GMT -5
Post by Guinness on Feb 11, 2010 19:43:52 GMT -5
I take consolation in the fact that the old die off... There's the CharlieNovember I know! ;D
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Feb 13, 2010 2:18:30 GMT -5
Post by 2nd Bat on Feb 13, 2010 2:18:30 GMT -5
Extremely well said Rolo. The BF folks who have attended the War Department, Battlesim events have universally been impressed and have become advocates. Naturally the ones who come tend to do so with an open mind but you know what they say about minds and parachutes.
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Feb 14, 2010 3:52:38 GMT -5
Post by 2nd Bat on Feb 14, 2010 3:52:38 GMT -5
Incidently a member of ther local military vehicle club just acquired two T34/ 85s Both in operational condition. They also now have a german 88.
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Mar 1, 2010 11:12:02 GMT -5
Post by jeep on Mar 1, 2010 11:12:02 GMT -5
Keep you eyes open, there are military vehicle deals that come up form time to time. I would like to point out however that a WW2 era tank or half track is going to be pushing 70 years old. It is going to cost a lot more than the purchase price in care and fueling and transporting it around.
Some logistics to consider: DO you own a large Tank transporter? with a CLASS A CDL with air brake endorsement?
Repairing the mechanical may require welding and machining heavy steel parts.
Do you have a place to put it, You may have to keep it out of public eye.
Event insurance is a little pricey. A lot of events would pay for it.
In my case I own a 1946 Jeep, I bought it for a mere $500, so far I have $3500 into in the last 6 years and it still does not run reliably and it is not particularly pretty either. Granted that is not a tank, but it is indicative of the cost and aggravation you are looking into.
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