Czech VZ24 Mauser Conversion. Build Thread.

[klowd13]

Just so you get an idea of what Im talking about.

We've recently built a couple of deer rifles out of a couple of old VZ Mausers and I would like to take one of the complete stocks left over and convert it into an airsoft rifle.

My question is though, is there any other rifle like the BAR 10 (price range too) that has the clip tucked closer to the trigger housing? I want to try, if possible, to tuck the clip into the original mag on the gun, avoiding any carving on the stock as much as possible.

If the need be that a new mag well needs to be carved, I have the nessasary tools and know how to get it done.

Cheers,
-John-

[Fusilier]

WHY,WHY, WHY! Do people chop up perfectly good military weapons for damn hunting guns?? WHY?
I've seen many a rare rifle destroyed in this fashion.Being a collector of military rifles,it makes zero sense to me....

[Ersatzjack]

Klowd13 - I'm doing one of these too in the next couple of months although mine doesn't have as nice metal as those pictured. They are a great gun to do because unlike the 98K which has the depression in the stock for the bolt handle these don't. This way if the receiver is in a slightly different position (which it needs to be because of the trigger placement your bolt will still look perfect. I don't see any alternative but to use the VSR-10 or its clones J-bar or USR-11 (not the MP-001). I've heard some try using the APS2 but the receiver on the APS2 just doesn't look very WWII so I think not.

You might be worried about the depression in the forestock for the grip there as it will thin the wood in that area. But the magazine fits as long as you stay centered and use hand tools as you get closer. Then I plan to reinforce that area with resin and screen for added strength.

Now I just need to find someone who wants to do Romanian for MOA.

Here is a link for some upgrade parts to speed your project to a successful conclusion if you haven't already chosen some others.

ww2aa.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=Scenario&action=display&thread=6863&page=1

[2nd Bat]

I believe the VSR and the VSR clones are the best rifle to use as a base and all utilize a 30 round clip that will unfortunately take up quite a bit of space across the bottom of the rifle and require a goodly amount of carving work. I have built roughly 18 of the conversions using assorted base rifles. I would recommend you avoid the MP001 clone as it has some serious durability issues. The Bar10 in my opinion is the best clone.

Fusilier...there were hundreds of thousands of these rifles built, they are not especially collectible, rare or valuable and as far as I'm concerned this fellow has a right to do whatever he wants with his rifle(s) . I may not especially like it but you know what, it's not my rifle. Klowd13 welcome to the Forum, not everyone here is a pompous ass. ; )

[klowd13]

Here, Fusilier, this will make you feel better. Both of the rifles we took the actions off from were mismatched and I believe one of the barrels was horribly pitted to the point of not being able to fire. My uncle bought another VZ Mauser to convert into a .243 Win., but he found that it had all matching numbers so it was cleaned up and is used in its original firing state. That is the case with our VZ Mauser as well, when we got it it was in nicer shape then expected and all the numbers match but the bolt. We're in the progress of cleaning it up at the moment so we can use it as a brush gun.

Ill probably grab a BAR 10 from AirsoftGI for $100 and being easily upgradable, Ill take it.

Cheers,
-John-

[soldatjakob]

I agree with Fusilier. Why can't you hunt with the gun on the original stock? I do it with my Mosin Nagant....it looks way more badass anyway!

[klowd13]

OK, I'll give you three reasons why the guns were converted.

1). The two we converted over were rebarreled to a .270 WIN., the original stock will not fit on this barrel right.

2). We got rid of the Iron sights and straight bolt and replaced them with a scope and bolt that would fit around the scope. These won't fit on the original stock without heavy modification.

3). Read my post from Yesterday, it explains reason number three.


Now please stop asking why we converted them, that was not the point of this thread.

Cheers,
-John-

[9battousai]

Feb 18, 2010 16:43:00 GMT -5 klowd13 said:

OK,
Now please stop asking why we converted them, that was not the point of this thread.

This is true, but you have come to a WW2-loving forum, the deer-rifle conversions are essentially the same as parading the corpses of war heroes through their own hometown. Of course the villagers can't help but ask 'why, for the love of God, why?'

On a different note, I'd recommend the BAR-10 as well, and wish you the best of luck on your conversion!

[krallshumavi]

I don,t know what is your worry about carving?
If You are worry about destroying stock You will destroy it anyway by carving inside.
If You are worry messing with mag well You don,t have to.


Look what I did, I did use magazine from TSD SD1187 shotgun
You go from 30 rounds magazine to 14 rounds
but it is WWII game there is always enough time to reload or extra magazine is 7$

I have extra magazine without wood and I never use it not even in modern games facing high powered ak.s and m4.s there is always enough time to reload

[Sgt_Tom]

Did that shotgun mag need a lot of modifying to work? Does it feed well and lastly does it fit in a Kar98 pouch.

[krallshumavi]

it fits in side k98 pouch it is half of bar10 size
magazine did not need much just that wood and mag release to make it nice could be challenge
it feeds good

[Sgt_Tom]

Thanks and that's a great idea you had! I'll definitely be trying it soon.

[krallshumavi]

only put magazine release from other side that is my only regret

[Sgt_Tom]

Could the magazine release be sanded on the right side?

[Ersatzjack]

I'm thinking he means to put the release at the front instead of the back so that the feed is more sure. Nice find on a magazine option. I think where these will really work nice is in Mosin builds. I will try this on my next Mosin. How does the front end fit into the VSR-10 receptacle? Is it shaped just like the VSR magazine? That would be perfect.

[krallshumavi]

it fits perfect
it almost seems like it is same magazine just made for 14 bbs

[Ersatzjack]

Mar 10, 2010 9:59:07 GMT -5 krallshumavi said:

it fits perfect
it almost seems like it is same magazine just made for 14 bbs

In the immortal words of Charles Montgomery Burns, "Exxxcellent..." ;D

[klowd13]

Its not that I was afraid to carve the stock, I just thought it would be more convenient if the mag was in the actual mag well.

Nice idea with the shotty mag there though, I might have to try that when I get the stock in my hands.

Cheers,
-John-

[Sgt_Tom]

Yea, I have thought about how to get it so the mag goes in the trigger guard plate. I had the idea of using the Dboys Kar98 bolt and trigger assembly and a BAR-10 magazine and hop up unit. The hop up would be sanded down and fitted into the Dboys Kar98 receiver. In the end, before I got to far, I found out someone had tried it and completed it but it shot horribly(bad air seal, I am guessing, and not a good enough spring) Could probably be done with more work, but I don't have the time to spend on it.

Other thing to do would be to shorten the BAR-10 bolt, which would also be hard.

[jimmiroquai]

If you used a KJW or Bell M700 Gas rifle you could pull it off (mag in the actual magwell). You would be essentially building a Tanaka K98...

[jimmiroquai]

If you used a KJW or Bell M700 Gas rifle you could pull it off (mag in the actual magwell). You would be essentially building a Tanaka K98...

[klowd13]

Well I have the stock in my hands now, its in rough shape, but its very solid. Ill post some pictures tomorrow after I clean it up.

Next thing I need to get is the BAR-10

Cheers,
-John-

[klowd13]

*EDIT* Pics not working, Ill figure it out in a bit.

Not exactly the best pictures. Right now Im working on sanding down the entire stock and when its finished, Ill put a coat of clear varnish over the stock to protect it.

Cheers,
-John-