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Post by 10target on Sept 3, 2010 17:20:40 GMT -5
Anybody here know a good source to by East German surplus/repro from? Rain camo type to be specific. I looked at ATF at their walk-in store but they had none.
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Post by Fusilier on Sept 3, 2010 17:24:27 GMT -5
That is because ATF sells WORLD WAR TWO reproductions. The DDR, or East Germany,didn't exist till about 1947. AFTER WW2.
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Post by 10target on Sept 3, 2010 17:31:28 GMT -5
Well crap, I just found that out.
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Post by Fusilier on Sept 3, 2010 17:53:52 GMT -5
Well crap, I just found that out. >> I certainly hope you're joking??? |
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Post by Totez on Sept 3, 2010 19:28:40 GMT -5
Reign it in Fusilier.  Everyone was new once. Some east german gear can be modified to look more like WWII German but you might as well just buy authentic repros of German gear readily available on the market. Good thing you brought this up here before you bought something, otherwise you would have had to assemble a whole cold-war kit! |
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Post by CharleyNovember on Sept 3, 2010 19:28:43 GMT -5
I mean this in a friendly ribbing kind of way but....Bwahahahaha..  On the other hand East German kit in rain is getting really hard to find and is a fairly cool kit to run around in for non WW2 games. |
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Post by Sgt_Tom on Sept 3, 2010 19:44:32 GMT -5
Reign it in Fusilier. Everyone was new once. Some east german gear can be modified to look more like WWII German but you might as well just buy authentic repros of German gear readily available on the market. Good thing you brought this up here before you bought something, otherwise you would have had to assemble a whole cold-war kit! I think he was planning on making a cold war kit, not modifying it to be WWII. Anyways I'd check eBay, probably your best bet. |
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Post by Fusilier on Sept 3, 2010 19:53:07 GMT -5
I have collected East German stuff since it first became available. From the earliest camo till before the wall fell.
I was also in a unit when i first got into reenacting who wanted everyone to buy East German DRESS uniforms to use for WW2 German. They also told me my VERY authentic reproduction uniform I paid $400 for was NO GOOD!
Me and my friends quickly left that crappy unit..
For the record, almost NO EG gear or uniforms are acceptable for WW2 reenacting. It was made very cheaply,and although theres a passing resemblance to things like mess tins and breadbags, NOT good for WW2
BUT,I still see people use those crappy EG PLASTIC canteens to this day!...
Reign it in he says....
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Post by Totez on Sept 3, 2010 20:06:01 GMT -5
I only said reign it in because you have a tendency to sound like you want to rip small children's heads off and feast upon their innards when you get hyped up about authenticity You may be right but kindness goes a long way ;D In all seriousness though Fusilier is right on the nose. Darn near all of the stuff was poopoo commie garbage (Though the Germans always make their stuff look spiffy even if it's soviet) |
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Post by sir veilance on Sept 3, 2010 20:19:23 GMT -5
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Post by Fusilier on Sept 3, 2010 20:24:47 GMT -5
Gowen's the best! although they're running out of a lot of stuff. I still need an EG EM's dress paratrooper beret...
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only said reign it in because you have a tendency to sound like you want to rip small children's heads off and feast upon their innards when you get hyped up about authenticity You may be right but kindness goes a long way
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The mood I'm in tonight,don't let any small children within arms length of me! It wouldn't be pretty!
But seriously people,use same COMMON SENSE! RESEARCH RESEARCH RESEARCH! Save that hard earned cash,or the money you got from Mom and Dad to get some real good CORRECT gear and weapons!
If I had all the money I wasted on stupid stuff back,I could buy myself a tank!!
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Post by 10target on Sept 6, 2010 14:22:25 GMT -5
Thanks, I only bought a few field gear items and thought I could finish it but it's simply not worth it. I'll just stick to my completed USMC pacific loadout.
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Post by Fusilier on Sept 6, 2010 15:45:37 GMT -5
or leave the forum.
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You know what tough guy,I just might..
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Post by CharleyNovember on Sept 6, 2010 16:23:41 GMT -5
No you are not going anywhere Bob just because you are sometimes rough around the edges does not mean you are not wanted. Telling people to leave the forums is BS Click your post has been removed.
Example: Bob's first post was a little rough but quickly followed up by useful info. Lets try and keep the pissing matches to a minimum. thank you all.
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Post by 10target on Sept 6, 2010 21:39:03 GMT -5
I was just wanting to get some info, but whenever I do on this forum the thread is carried off on a rabbit trail, or a mini/full flame war. Lets just stick to the topic people.
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Post by CharleyNovember on Sept 6, 2010 22:08:57 GMT -5
"Thanks, I only bought a few field gear items and thought I could finish it but it's simply not worth it. I'll just stick to my completed USMC pacific loadout. "
Actually you just killed your own thread right here. There is no topic to stick to at this point.
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Post by 10target on Sept 6, 2010 22:30:32 GMT -5
Ha, doesn't matter. The topic is called "East German Loadout" not "Flame Wars and Bunny Trails." Oh, and I did find out that the rain camo pattern you see on some of the Fallsschrimjager camo patterns, so I guess that's where East Germany got it.
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Post by Fusilier on Sept 6, 2010 22:41:03 GMT -5
that the rain camo pattern you see on some of the Fallsschrimjager camo patterns, so I guess that's where East Germany got it.
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Not really..
The East German camo was kinda copied from the Polish post War camo,which is almost identical just thinner lines.
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Post by CharleyNovember on Sept 6, 2010 22:47:05 GMT -5
I would think some of the "inspiration" was also from the rain pattern in WW2 rain patterns incorporated in the camo of that era though.
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Post by 10target on Sept 7, 2010 0:21:49 GMT -5
Well it is the same thing as the Fallsschirmjager camo patterns.
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Post by Adler69 on Sept 10, 2010 2:32:35 GMT -5
The reason Polish Pine Needle camo reminds you of the rain drops on WWII German camo is because Pine Needle camo was influenced by the German Splinter camo , soon after the Polish Army was reborn in the late '40s early '50s they military wanted it's elite units (Paras) to have camo and the best camo available at the time was the Splinter camo , after all there was a fabric manufacture plant in Poland (i forgot where) that used to make the camo for the Germans and the dyes for the pattern where still at the plant ,so they adopted the Splinter camo with a few changes here and there for the new airborne units being formed.
In the '60s it was decided to change to a more "home grown " camo and development of the new camo was started , after some experiments here and there they chose the Pine Needle camo which was Splinter camo without the right angle shapes and with a much darker background and elongated rain drops.
The DDR Rain camo looks similar , but the DDR rain drops are shorter and thicker than those on the Polish Pine Needle pattern.
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Post by CharleyNovember on Sept 10, 2010 6:55:53 GMT -5
Ahhh so I was right then Adler. It seemed to make sense that it would have been based on the old German splinter.
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Post by Fusilier on Sept 10, 2010 8:12:48 GMT -5
I have a set of the post War Polish splinter pattern. Copied from the Germans,but the colors were different. Very rare stuff,I was lucky to find it. Smock with hood,and overpants. I also have the regular ,later Polish rain pattern uniform as well. To the untrained eye,it is identical to EG. But like Adler said. The lines are thinner and longer.
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Post by gadge on Sept 13, 2010 6:48:22 GMT -5
I'm currently building up a DDR impression.
The frustrating thing is that German ebay its utter pennies for stuff but the shipping is prohibitive.
NBC suits are a couple of quid but 20 quid to ship!
Currently to complete my impression i need an m56 lid, nbc suit, ressie bag and either an AK74 to match by lovely 74 bayonet or a 47 bayonet to match my lovely AK47... i think the latter may be cheaper.
I've got a full dress uniform that I bought for about £10 around 20 years ago.
At one point in the UK you couldnt *give* rain pattern combats away, you used to see it in surplus shops for about 50 pence for a pair of trousers, helmets were about £2 etc....
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Post by Fusilier on Sept 13, 2010 11:28:24 GMT -5
I'm currently building up a DDR impression. The frustrating thing is that German ebay its utter pennies for stuff but the shipping is prohibitive. NBC suits are a couple of quid but 20 quid to ship! Currently to complete my impression i need an m56 lid, nbc suit, ressie bag and either an AK74 to match by lovely 74 bayonet or a 47 bayonet to match my lovely AK47... i think the latter may be cheaper. I've got a full dress uniform that I bought for about £10 around 20 years ago. At one point in the UK you couldnt *give* rain pattern combats away, you used to see it in surplus shops for about 50 pence for a pair of trousers, helmets were about £2 etc.... > I collect DDR stuff too. Helmets used to be about $200 before the Wall fell..then... I have NINE! From the early pattern to the latest. Got all the camo,from the early blumentarn to the last version 4 pocket stuff. I have the NBC suit! Theres a living history grup over here who does Grenztruppen I plan on joining. |
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Post by gadge on Sept 13, 2010 11:30:53 GMT -5
I collect DDR stuff too. Helmets used to be about $200 before the Wall fell..then... Swiss stuff was the biggest kick in the nehters for collectors. 'alpenflage' smocks and trousers were rarer than panda spunk and went for a few hundred quid a piece. After 1990 I think you could get a full swiss uniform for less than £30 GBP |
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Post by Fusilier on Sept 13, 2010 16:44:26 GMT -5
I collect DDR stuff too. Helmets used to be about $200 before the Wall fell..then... Swiss stuff was the biggest kick in the nehters for collectors. 'alpenflage' smocks and trousers were rarer than panda spunk and went for a few hundred quid a piece. After 1990 I think you could get a full swiss uniform for less than £30 GBP >> I got my lightweight Alpenflage trousers on right now! Love the stuff! I got it all! ;D I also wanna put together a Swiss WW2 era kit for living history displays and such. I used to see WW2 Swiss fur packs all over..now,not so much.And if you do..Well over $100+ |
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Post by guitarmaster on Sept 13, 2010 16:56:54 GMT -5
Hey Fusilier, there was a guy on the reenactor forum selling his Swiss kit a while back, not sure if he sold it or not. Swiss helmets are easy to come by though and I think they are pretty sweet looking.
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Post by Adler69 on Sept 13, 2010 17:33:12 GMT -5
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Post by gadge on Sept 13, 2010 17:55:44 GMT -5
Shame about the dessie stuff on the swiss kit, ruins the look of it somewhat IMO
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Everyone was new once. Some east german gear can be modified to look more like WWII German but you might as well just buy authentic repros of German gear readily available on the market. Good thing you brought this up here before you bought something, otherwise you would have had to assemble a whole cold-war kit!
On the other hand East German kit in rain is getting really hard to find and is a fairly cool kit to run around in for non WW2 games.
