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Post by Fusilier on Nov 19, 2010 21:50:15 GMT -5
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Post by mccallion on Nov 21, 2010 17:28:40 GMT -5
Time to get some awsomely correct ww2 ones and no more crappy made ones that look wrong !
McCallion
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Post by sir veilance on Nov 21, 2010 19:09:04 GMT -5
Wow! Those look great! I bought a set from Hessen, but returned them when I found that my AGM MP44 mags would not slide into the pockets at all.
Please let us know what you think when you get them!
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Post by Fusilier on Nov 21, 2010 22:40:35 GMT -5
Wow! Those look great! I bought a set from Hessen, but returned them when I found that my AGM MP44 mags would not slide into the pockets at all. Please let us know what you think when you get them! >> I have another repop set.The mags fit,but try getting them out! |
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Post by Fusilier on Nov 21, 2010 22:41:25 GMT -5
Time to get some awsomely correct ww2 ones and no more crappy made ones that look wrong ! McCallion >> They are nice looking. BTW,I have my eyes on an original set...:-) |
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Post by 10target on Nov 24, 2010 20:23:55 GMT -5
Same here lad. I like my stuff to be accurate, but it doesn't have to be 100%. Different people like different things different ways; I guess you could say.
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Post by 5thrangerbat on Nov 24, 2010 20:35:59 GMT -5
I like to have my stuff as close to 100%. Why? If it is as close to the original as possible it will last just as long, feel, color and the specifics is what makes it so much more appealing. Basically a equipment you wont really have to worry about "beating up" or really destroying if your item is of some sort of rarity or a piece you feel could belong in a museum, collectible or even militaria that your grandpa or great grandpa or so on kept and you want to keep it in good condition as long as possible.
Also like said above. If it is true to the original it will actually have the mags FIT unlike other cheaper brands.
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Post by mccallion on Nov 24, 2010 21:03:50 GMT -5
I totally agree with 5thrangerbat, i also strive for 100% accuracy becuase the simple fact that we are doing a ww2 airsoft and if you want to represent ww2 then you should strive to get the closest to origional gear that you can also the reason why they are so exspensive is becuase the quality and material, some of those pouchs are made from origional material which is pricy, then all the labor to make it correct and just like the original pouchs so the quality is so much better then that of hessen whitch gets most of its stock from cheep chinese repros whitch are very bad in quality and in representing the item, i try to do this with all my gear but this is my opinion if some one wants to go out there and buy cheep gear that is fine but i personally strive to be as close to a ww2 soldat when i represnt them
McCallion
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Post by CharleyNovember on Nov 24, 2010 21:32:11 GMT -5
Usually you get what you pay for. Chinese stuff is hit or miss. Some of it is very good and some of it is utter applesauce e. At the very least you should always strive to get equipment and uniforms that looks correct even if it wears poorly it should look right or you will most likely spend more money later on a better reproduction. Each person/unit/group needs to decide where they are going to draw the line of demarkation on kit quality/accuracy. Some groups you won't be able to play with unless you have a full correct impression some will allow it. Consider these thigns for yourself and purchase accordingly.
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Post by CharleyNovember on Nov 24, 2010 21:39:07 GMT -5
as an aside doesn't this statement....
"According to contemporary documents as well as original photos, there was always a shortage of pouches- many troops never had them."
Mean you would be far more correct in your impression without buying them?...lol
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Post by 5thrangerbat on Nov 25, 2010 9:55:32 GMT -5
We told you.. The ones ATF made are so true to the original that the MAGs can actually fit inside of the pouch unlike the the chinese made ones which are said to have the mags not fit in well.
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Post by Fusilier on Nov 25, 2010 10:59:02 GMT -5
I have a set of repro 44 pouches. One of the ones ATF shows on their website. They are "OK",but,try getting a mag out! Yes,ATF's are pricey,and I'm not jumping right away,but I will eventually get a set. Dan is also correct,EVERY guy didn't get a set. There was a shortage early on. Also,look at original pictures,everyone does not have them.
Also as was said,a lot of soldier stuff is utter crap,and you get what you pay for.
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Post by sir veilance on Nov 28, 2010 9:50:37 GMT -5
Well, for airsoft, I need not to put magazines in the pouches as there are only highcaps for the MP44. So I'll just stick with the Hessen ones. Yes, if you just went them for looks the Hessen ones look OK, but as I said before, I bought the Hessen ones, they looked great, but I could not get the mags to fit into ANY of the cells....Now maybe it was just the set I got and maybe if I had soaked them in water and figured out some way to stretch them, then they may have worked. Otherwise they are not worth buying. Hessen was good about taking them back and reimbursing me for them, but if you do that make sure you tell him, like I did, that the mags don't fit into the slots!! As far as are they needed! If you have a hicap, then you can probably go without them. I have seen plenty of photos, as other have stated, that there seamed to be a shortage of them. I know of references of an FJ, who has an STG44 with no pouches and the pockets of his jump smock are stuffed with mags! On the other hand, I have six midcaps mags for my AGM44 and have a set of the incorrect, post war pouches that have the leather covers. The mags fit into them and out of them just great, but I want to find another more accurate set, that actually work. Also note that in many photos, that soldiers carrying an STG44, only carries one half of a set of the pouches. That may have been because of the shortage. He may have shared the set with his buddy... you know, you take a the right side and I'll take the left. OR it may have been because those damn things are very bulky!! When I wear my set of both sides, all six mags, those damned thing make it hard to move and very hard to take a knee and fire! That may be another reason why you see guys wearing only one three cell pouch! If anyone does get one the sets from ATF please let us know if the AGM mags fit them. |
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Post by shutzefritz on Nov 28, 2010 20:43:34 GMT -5
I just received my ATF pouches.
Being a newbie I cannot attest to accuracy but they do look and work great!
I am too poor to pay twice so I bought the best I could afford.
Thanks to the mid cap mag conversion tutorial by the esteemed Sir Veilance I have a complete set of mid caps for these pouches.
Jim Wiskus on e-bay is producing correct replacement muzzel nuts rather than the orange MP40 tip supplied with it.
If just one pouch is worn is it slid through the EM belt and Ystraps, or is there another correct method?
With respect,
Fritz
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Post by 10target on Nov 29, 2010 18:31:22 GMT -5
What I meant by saying 100% accuracy, was that I'm not going flip out if I can't complete my set of gear. I currently have a USMC loadout consisting of 8/10 of the gear they had in the war. I'm missing a real liner that's not repro, and boondockers along with some pouches. Don't get me wrong, I would absolutely love to be 100% spot on, but that's probably never going to happen for anybody. I get as close as I can possibly get to what your average USMC troop would have been equiped with, and that's all I can do.
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Post by sir veilance on Nov 30, 2010 10:18:52 GMT -5
I just received my ATF pouches. Being a newbie I cannot attest to accuracy but they do look and work great! If just one pouch is worn is it slid through the EM belt and Ystraps, or is there another correct method? Which version did you get? I like the Tan, Version II, they sell. As far as how to wear just one. Just put the belt through the loops on the back of the pouch and hang it from the Y-strap, like you said. |
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Post by shutzefritz on Nov 30, 2010 22:48:43 GMT -5
I got the darker version type 1. I figured as much as I get shot and end up rolling around in the mud it would hold up better.
I was going to get the factory defect "guinea pig" pouches for $20 less but decide not to when I found out they were not made from real guinea pigs!
If only one pouch is worn as has been suggested, is it still worn on EM belt and Y strap?
With respect,
fritz
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Post by sir veilance on Jan 15, 2011 9:06:50 GMT -5
I just got the tan Type II version that ATF sells.  Yes the mags do slide in and out very easily, but the flaps are a hard to close. Maybe the AGM MP44 mags are a little taller than originals. I did get the flaps closed and the leather tabs over the studs with a lot of force. I don't think I can do that while in the field though. I am going to leave the mags in the pouches to see if they stretch out over time. Does anyone know, if I were to wet them, would they stretch or would it be worse as they would try to shrink!?!? I am a little hesitant to wet them, with the mags inside, cause I don't want them to rust  BTW....They look great up close! Glad I got them!!!! |
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Post by Fusilier on Jan 15, 2011 11:20:54 GMT -5
Very nice! I plan on picking up a set at The Gap next week.
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Post by sir veilance on Jan 15, 2011 11:32:52 GMT -5
Very nice! I plan on picking up a set at The Gap next week. I have been to Fort Indiantown Gap for work, but have yet to make the reenactment. One of these days I'll make it. There are several guys from my FJ blank-fire unit going as well as several from other St. Louis units! I can't go because of too many local commitments around here on the next several weekends  Have fun!! |
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Post by kern1944 on Jan 16, 2011 20:26:31 GMT -5
Hi guys, Here is a photo of my original pair if you would like to compare them. They are late war and came home with a Veteran in Massachusetts. They had 6 mags - 4 were marked MP44 and two marked STG44. I got one STG44 and 3 MP44. The other two were held onto by the Veteran. I took a few photos of my reproduction mag pouches. I have three different styles. I found two real nice pair at the GAP a few years ago. They are from Hungary and are the best reproductions I have seen. If I could find them again, I'd replace the other 6 repops in a second. Unfortunately they cost $150.00 a pair and at $900.00 it's a little steep. kern1944 Attachments:
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Post by kern1944 on Jan 16, 2011 21:58:33 GMT -5
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Post by sir veilance on Jan 17, 2011 16:18:24 GMT -5
Yes...I stumbled across that web page one other time. Very interesting. I always wondered what the red stripes on the canvas were there for. Maybe some kind of cutting/fiinishing reference!?! |
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Post by shutzefritz on Jan 20, 2011 0:32:19 GMT -5
I have read, although not verified, that the red stripes were from feed sack material that was pressed into service.
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Fritz
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