Post by 1984 on May 17, 2011 1:14:45 GMT -5
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I bought two Mosin's a while ago to convert one of them into an airsoft gun using VSR internals. The plan was to drill the barrel out to the width of the VSR's Cylinder, make a custom hop up unit based of the MK23's unit to fit inside of the Mosin and order a custom 6.00 TB from EDGI to fit inside the barrel of the Mosin without damaging the rifling. The BB's would be housed inside the gun held in by a cut out and the cleaning rod. Unfortunately right when I was about to start this Zeta Labs came out with their version and I quickly realized this would fall by the wayside in the interest of competitive pricing.
Now I am looking to start this project up again with the rifle(s) the WWII airsoft community deems the most necessary. All of the rifles above would go under the same building process and use the same parts with the only difference being the inner barrel length so no model shows a vast technical advantage of the others.
The parts would be in 5 stages:
-The cylinder which would be loaded with Laylax parts for optimal performance.
-The trigger housing where I would replace the sears with something stronger and I would use the trigger from the real gun.
-The hop up which is a modified MK23 hop. I chose the MK23 because it is accurate, relatively small, and can handle heavier BB's.
-The barrel which would be a custom 6.00 barrel from EDGI to provide maximum accuracy and fit inside the rifling so if you take the barrel out the grooves will be intact.
-The magazine which would be different for each gun but they would all accomplish the same goal of feeding the gun.
Each rifle I would make I will hand pick for condition, markings, year, and atheistic appearance. The unit cost will be listed last giving an example of how much each base rifle costs. Prices are not my forte so if someone has a better ballpark figure that would be appreciated.
-The VZ.24 would be the Kar98k substitute, they look almost exactly the same and I could change the bolt to be curved. I would do a real Kar98k but then that would add about $300 to the cost of each rifle. ~$185
-The Mosin-Nagant is what I originally planned to do but then Zeta-Labs came out with theirs. These are the consistently cheapest of all the rifles but lots of modification is still required as with all the rifles. ~$105
-The Lee-Enfield was used by many countries during WWII giving it a large expanse of impressions. The cost of gun varies widly between the years and the models and I need advise on which model to make. ~$70-$350
-The Carcano was made in large numbers and were widely issued to the Volkssturm. These are as not common as some of the other ones and are generally more expensive. ~$350
-The M1903 is always a good solid rifle, a prime of turn of the century American engineering, copied from another design. I do not know much about these but they are good looking rifles and very solid. ~$365
-The Arisaka could be a variety of rifles but I see the Type 38 and Type 99 the most often. I know there is not very much Japanese reenacting so I do not know how popular these would be. They would certainly be unique. Towards the end of the war many of these were quickly made and there are many different models. I would also try to go for an intact 'mum'. I do not know very much about these either. ~$150
-The MAS-36 was the rifle of France during the second world war. These have a big chunky design making them easy to work with and mag a magazines for. ~$275
-The Gewehr 98 was technically a pre-WWI rifle but I know they were used in the early days of WWII due to a high amount of surplus rifles and later in the war as sniper rifles. The real German made G98 is very expensive so I would use a Turkish Mauser or a similar rifle for the effort of cost effectiveness. The Turkish Mauser is about 92% similar with a few differences and the markings but could easily pass the five foot visual inspection. The G98 also has the longest barrel length just beating the Mosin-Nagant. ~$175
-Previously the Lebel, need a suggestion. I cannot modify the poll so all votes for the Lebel would count towards the new suggestion.
Those are the choices I have thought of but any others are a welcome suggestion. Any information or internet reading material on any of the above rifles would be very helpful so I know which lollipops I am going to tackle better. Instead of using VSR internals I was also thinking of using L96 internals since they are a bit smaller but I would like a more experienced persons opinion.
With all the parts and labor the best estimate I could give would be about $850-$900 before the rifles cost but these would out preform any other springer on the field and would be externally to scale and look. These are all just rough costs though as I have not started anything yet but once I finish one of these I can make a final price. Any help is appreciated.
Thank you for taking the time to read this.
I bought two Mosin's a while ago to convert one of them into an airsoft gun using VSR internals. The plan was to drill the barrel out to the width of the VSR's Cylinder, make a custom hop up unit based of the MK23's unit to fit inside of the Mosin and order a custom 6.00 TB from EDGI to fit inside the barrel of the Mosin without damaging the rifling. The BB's would be housed inside the gun held in by a cut out and the cleaning rod. Unfortunately right when I was about to start this Zeta Labs came out with their version and I quickly realized this would fall by the wayside in the interest of competitive pricing.
Now I am looking to start this project up again with the rifle(s) the WWII airsoft community deems the most necessary. All of the rifles above would go under the same building process and use the same parts with the only difference being the inner barrel length so no model shows a vast technical advantage of the others.
The parts would be in 5 stages:
-The cylinder which would be loaded with Laylax parts for optimal performance.
-The trigger housing where I would replace the sears with something stronger and I would use the trigger from the real gun.
-The hop up which is a modified MK23 hop. I chose the MK23 because it is accurate, relatively small, and can handle heavier BB's.
-The barrel which would be a custom 6.00 barrel from EDGI to provide maximum accuracy and fit inside the rifling so if you take the barrel out the grooves will be intact.
-The magazine which would be different for each gun but they would all accomplish the same goal of feeding the gun.
Each rifle I would make I will hand pick for condition, markings, year, and atheistic appearance. The unit cost will be listed last giving an example of how much each base rifle costs. Prices are not my forte so if someone has a better ballpark figure that would be appreciated.
-The VZ.24 would be the Kar98k substitute, they look almost exactly the same and I could change the bolt to be curved. I would do a real Kar98k but then that would add about $300 to the cost of each rifle. ~$185
-The Mosin-Nagant is what I originally planned to do but then Zeta-Labs came out with theirs. These are the consistently cheapest of all the rifles but lots of modification is still required as with all the rifles. ~$105
-The Lee-Enfield was used by many countries during WWII giving it a large expanse of impressions. The cost of gun varies widly between the years and the models and I need advise on which model to make. ~$70-$350
-The Carcano was made in large numbers and were widely issued to the Volkssturm. These are as not common as some of the other ones and are generally more expensive. ~$350
-The M1903 is always a good solid rifle, a prime of turn of the century American engineering, copied from another design. I do not know much about these but they are good looking rifles and very solid. ~$365
-The Arisaka could be a variety of rifles but I see the Type 38 and Type 99 the most often. I know there is not very much Japanese reenacting so I do not know how popular these would be. They would certainly be unique. Towards the end of the war many of these were quickly made and there are many different models. I would also try to go for an intact 'mum'. I do not know very much about these either. ~$150
-The MAS-36 was the rifle of France during the second world war. These have a big chunky design making them easy to work with and mag a magazines for. ~$275
-The Gewehr 98 was technically a pre-WWI rifle but I know they were used in the early days of WWII due to a high amount of surplus rifles and later in the war as sniper rifles. The real German made G98 is very expensive so I would use a Turkish Mauser or a similar rifle for the effort of cost effectiveness. The Turkish Mauser is about 92% similar with a few differences and the markings but could easily pass the five foot visual inspection. The G98 also has the longest barrel length just beating the Mosin-Nagant. ~$175
-Previously the Lebel, need a suggestion. I cannot modify the poll so all votes for the Lebel would count towards the new suggestion.
Those are the choices I have thought of but any others are a welcome suggestion. Any information or internet reading material on any of the above rifles would be very helpful so I know which lollipops I am going to tackle better. Instead of using VSR internals I was also thinking of using L96 internals since they are a bit smaller but I would like a more experienced persons opinion.
With all the parts and labor the best estimate I could give would be about $850-$900 before the rifles cost but these would out preform any other springer on the field and would be externally to scale and look. These are all just rough costs though as I have not started anything yet but once I finish one of these I can make a final price. Any help is appreciated.
Thank you for taking the time to read this.
