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Post by thisissparta on Jun 12, 2011 18:04:29 GMT -5
In my impressions I have two types of guns, a Marushin M1 garand which Each Clip holds 8 rounds, and a CYMA thompson which I load with 30 BBs I never bought extra mags so I have come to you, the forum to ask how much ammo did a regular WWII US rifleman and submachinegunner hold, Where they given a specific number to begin with? Is basically the number I'm looking for or on a regular how many clips or mags did they have?
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Post by Totez on Jun 12, 2011 18:20:47 GMT -5
Well that depends. Issued combat load for a rifleman is 10 clips of 8 rounds but usually if a soldier could he would take any extra clips of ammo he could and stick them on his sling, suspenders, or any pockets not already full of other essentials.
As to the load of a SMG I wouldn't be able to help with that but I would assume the same motto of 'take what you can carry' applies in the field.
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Post by HornetWSO on Jun 12, 2011 18:36:29 GMT -5
In my impressions I have two types of guns, a Marushin M1 garand which Each Clip holds 8 rounds, and a CYMA thompson which I load with 30 BBs I never bought extra mags so I have come to you, the forum to ask how much ammo did a regular WWII US rifleman and submachinegunner hold, Where they given a specific number to begin with? Is basically the number I'm looking for or on a regular how many clips or mags did they have? Check out Mark Bando's web site, it has all the information you are looking for, plus a whole lot more. www.101airborneww2.com/equipment.html
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Post by CharleyNovember on Jun 12, 2011 19:10:38 GMT -5
you might also consider a 3:1 ratio. BB's are not bullets and they often don't go exactly where you aim. With my thompson I carried 7-10 110 round midcaps.
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Post by thisissparta on Jun 12, 2011 19:14:02 GMT -5
Hornet WSO, Nice find that answers all my paratrooper questions! Charley, I've heard of the 3:1 ratio but that doesn't work with my garand which only holds 8 rounds lol!
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Post by thisissparta on Jun 14, 2011 15:06:22 GMT -5
Oh and something else, does anyone know how soldiers put their clips on their slings? Would that be possible with a marushin m1?
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Post by HornetWSO on Jun 14, 2011 17:28:09 GMT -5
. . . . might want to do that with a "Clip" of dummy rounds. Slide the sling between the staggered rounds, it's a snug fit.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Feb 19, 2013 18:31:14 GMT -5
For the Marushin Bb clip the sling technique doesn't work unfortunately as there are no protruding rounds. Sadly your Marushin Garand will not prove skirmishable as there are simply too many limitations to list. The eight round clip is authentic and actually the least of your challenges. The rifle itself must be charged with gas and if full to capacity and with no leaks is only good for about 50 rounds before it will need to be refilled. Since a US Infantryman in an assault mode would typically have 180 rounds in his ammo belt and one or two spare bandoleers with an additional 96 rounds you aren't even able to replicate that on a one to one basis, let alone the 3, BBs to one that in my opinion makes sense. Now assuming your Marushin Garand had an external gas source (which i've seen some set up with). You need lots and lots of clips, need to willing and comfortable loosing them in the field when they eject and you need to be really really good at reloading. Finally (and i am just scratching the surface of the Marushin gas blow backs challenges) You have to hope the field allows 8mm BBs and that your rifle stays intact and functional after several hundred rapid fire rounds. Most Marushin GBB Garands will only hold up for about 1000 to 2000 rounds before breaking and many break after several hundred.
thankfully ICS and GnG will soon be shipping AEG Garands and I am optimistic they will prove skirmishable. For game play, I,d love to see all players except MG gunners be limited to 600 rounds without having to retire to an established ammo point.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Dec 2, 2013 21:20:34 GMT -5
I hosted a local game where I supplied most of the weapons and ammo and rented out the guns along with a limited number of spare low and mid cap magazines. In addition many of the guns were single shot springers (M1 Carbines). My Garand AEGs all had one 70 round mid cap and six 12 round clips. The Springer Carbines all had four 23 magazines and the Thompsons had three 60 round low caps. BARS had six 110 round mid caps and the MGs had 2000 round box magazines. Individual players were also given one speed loader so riflemen essentially had about 200 rounds. This dynamic was fabulous. The limited ammo and need for frequent reloading made people seriously consider their shots and the automatic weapons relistically assumed their role as key weapons and suppressors. The players really had to rely on their team mates and there was a lot more realistic use of fire and manuever. There was also a lot of swapping of ammo and checking on their team mates ammo status. It was very very cool.
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Post by CPL. Mills 2nd Rangers on Dec 3, 2013 11:15:53 GMT -5
For the Marushin Bb clip the sling technique doesn't work unfortunately as there are no protruding rounds. Sadly your Marushin Garand will not prove skirmishable as there are simply too many limitations to list. The eight round clip is authentic and actually the least of your challenges. The rifle itself must be charged with gas and if full to capacity and with no leaks is only good for about 50 rounds before it will need to be refilled. Since a US Infantryman in an assault mode would typically have 180 rounds in his ammo belt and one or two spare bandoleers with an additional 96 rounds you aren't even able to replicate that on a one to one basis, let alone the 3, BBs to one that in my opinion makes sense. The Marushin M1 Garand is fully capable to replicate the 1:1 ratio of ammo carried by a WWII infantry man. You just need the clips. Because of the bigger bb used, more of your shots go where aimed. They are heavier then the 6mm, .20-.25 compared to .34 - .45, the 8mm bbs blows through brush much better, and people feel the 8mm bbs hit them more often then the 6mm bbs. The airsoft Garand is more of a 2:1 ratio compared to 6mm airsoft guns. On a decent summer day the rifle shoots pretty damn strait. If you take proper care of the Garand you will be a terror on the battlefield. There is nothing more satisfying then seeing the German players run in horror of the 8mm cannon balls your lobbing at them. One of the last events Tom and I both used our Garands, when the Germans saw us coming they shrieked out, "AMERICANS GARANDS!!" They left one guy to lay down covering fire as the rest of them bugged out. 4 Germans ran from 2 GIs. I've never had that happen using my Thompson. With all that said, the Garand is a very very high maintenance rifle. Requires a lot of love and attention for it to remain skirmishable. And you do have to carry gas with you on the battlefield. With proper care your rifle will last 1000, 2000, 100000 or even 1000000 rounds. My theory why most Garands only last about 2k rounds is because of improper maintenance. Or they had a 1st run Garand the non SI version and were using green gas which has a higher PSI then HFC134a gas and the rifle eventually broke due to additional stress on the parts from the improper gas.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Dec 3, 2013 13:14:08 GMT -5
Indeed my two purchased garands were the early versions and while I did everything I could and followed every tutorial suggesting every tiny grub screw that needed loctite they both ate their your early and became wall hangers. No doubt the later SI version is much improved but the need to re-gas so frequently looses me and the thought of an external gas source is too big a throw back to the archaic days of airsoft back in the 80s. (yes I was playing airsoft back then!). Inspite of my ardent protests about this gun I am legitimately thrilled that they are working out for some people but think (as you clearly do) that it's critical that a stern warning go out to folks about jut how much attention and care it requires. I know it varies but on a typical day how many rounds on a gas charge can you get before having to squeaze in more green gas?
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Post by CPL. Mills 2nd Rangers on Dec 3, 2013 23:07:43 GMT -5
About 3-4 clips, and if you cant hit what your aiming at with 3 clips you should probably consider using a different gun... The only time having to stop and regas has been a problem is in a Alamo type situation. Even then if you coordinate your fire with whomever is with you it hasn't been a big deal.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Dec 4, 2013 0:13:25 GMT -5
So 24 to 32 rounds? yikes! I had forgotten that it was that bad. I'm all for limiting ammo and taking steps to reduce the amount of Bbs flying randomly around but that is far too limiting for me. Even having to cock with each shot and 23 rounds per mag with four mags, guys ran out of ammo in a one hour mission phase with the little loaner carbines. They had been trained to lay covering fire so were shooting as much as the little guys allowed. Most of the covering fire however came from the MGs, BAR or the Garand AEGs. I had the three squads set up with one 30 Cal or a BAR, Two Garand AEGs, One Thompson or Grease gun and the other three or four guys with the springer carbines or one of my custom Spring powered M1903s.
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Post by <2>nd Rangers M/Sgt. Tom on Dec 4, 2013 2:50:37 GMT -5
I have used the Marushin garand since it was released, I got a marushin first run garand to shoot from a stock 250 to 397 fps through tank tweaking, the gun is high maintenance I agree, however once you get the routine down it simulates the real care of a M1 garand. You do not need a degree in pneumatics to own and operate one, its surprisingly more simple that you may realize. Proper lubrication is the best thing you can do for a marushin garand. 99.9% of marushin garand issues stem from poor lubrication. I find this rifle to be highly skirmishable, the karuts hate 8mm flying there way, you can ask them. Alex and I collapsed an entire german flank to the cry of "GARANDS" try to tell me thats not skirmishable; the right flank was a ghost town. I had one Germans swat at the 8mm bbs thinking they were bees because of the way they hit him and made noise going by. Another instance i had a german drop his mp40 and run after i shot him in the gun. Alex and I had a game in which we faced 8 milsim players against us, with only grands, needless to say they didn't invite us back, due to the bindi Cpl.Mills gave Clifton. Another example is the milsim game in Fairchild where the Rangers faced real Marines. During this game I shot a real Marine mid air leaping from behind an oil drum esialy 15 yards away. I hit him mid air he bellowed "Fu@k" and hit the ground.Yet another precedent, I doubled back on a german sniper tailing me, Surprised him 40 feet away rised aimed right at the red button ribbon on his breast pulled the trigger twice; both shots hit the red ribbon, surprised the sniper enough he fell over backwards Priceless. lastly is in Pickerel WI, I shot three germans in a turret gun in Natasha through a hole the size of a tennis ball from about 10 to 15 yards. The last example is the bunker complex i dropped gear and brought only two clips, I then assaulted by my self with the M1 I eliminated all in bunker and all but one of the reinforcements. He killed me with one round in my clip. The Marushin M1 garand is a fully skrimishable weapon, I would bet money on it. All these kills were done with and original stock 134A garand. So you can only imagine what the Si version will do Watch yer ass fritz!
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Post by 2nd Bat on Dec 4, 2013 11:17:51 GMT -5
Great praise indeed. Love to hear it. In these exploits how did you retrieve / recover your enblock clips?
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Post by CPL. Mills 2nd Rangers on Dec 4, 2013 12:20:59 GMT -5
In some cases if you very slightly angle the rifle to the left the clip will pop out to the left and you can catch it. And the ones I missed I had to pick up off the ground. I'd Say 90% of the time I'm firing the rifle I'm kneeling or prone and usually behind good cover.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Dec 4, 2013 12:59:52 GMT -5
i greatly admire your desire for such authenticity that you endure the challenges of this rifle and make it work for you. very dedicated. You are better men then me Gunga Dins!
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