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Post by captainbrenandsten on Aug 5, 2011 20:35:45 GMT -5
Tropical y-straps are more so fitted for the Afrika Korps. Just get the black y-straps, they will go both western and eastern front impressions.
As for your question pertaining to the uniform, y-straps will fit almost(or all) uniforms so you really don't need to worry about that too much.
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Post by Adler69 on Aug 5, 2011 21:07:42 GMT -5
Tropical webgear and uniforms where used in France, Italy, the Balkans and Southern Russia , they are not just for the Afrika Korps.
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Post by captainbrenandsten on Aug 5, 2011 21:39:24 GMT -5
Tropical webgear and uniforms where used in France, Italy, the Balkans and Southern Russia , they are not just for the Afrika Korps. I mostly apply tropical gear with the Afrika Korps(because its hot in North Africa). But, thanks for expanding my knowledge. |
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Post by customairsoftweap on Aug 5, 2011 22:03:24 GMT -5
Ask yourself this: Why would I want to wear gear that is from the North African campaign era with an M36 tunic? It just doesn't make sense in my opinion. If you really wanted to use the tropical Y-straps I think it would work best with the M42 or M43 tunic, maybe the M40 tunic. Do whatever you want, I'm just giving you my personal opinion.
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Post by Adler69 on Aug 5, 2011 22:11:07 GMT -5
Tropical webgear and uniforms where used in France, Italy, the Balkans and Southern Russia , they are not just for the Afrika Korps. I mostly apply tropical gear with the Afrika Korps(because its hot in North Africa). But, thanks for expanding my knowledge. No problem and have you ever been to the South of France, Italy, the Balkans or Southern Russia? It's also very hot in those places during the Spring and Summer months. |
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Post by captainbrenandsten on Aug 5, 2011 22:24:48 GMT -5
I mostly apply tropical gear with the Afrika Korps(because its hot in North Africa). But, thanks for expanding my knowledge. No problem and have you ever been to the South of France, Italy, the Balkans or Southern Russia? It's also very hot in those places during the Spring and Summer months. No, I have been to England though. I see your point as the climate of the Mediterranean is rather warm. |
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Post by gadge on Aug 6, 2011 5:19:05 GMT -5
Ask yourself this: Why would I want to wear gear that is from the North African campaign era with an M36 tunic? It just doesn't make sense in my opinion. If you really wanted to use the tropical Y-straps I think it would work best with the M42 or M43 tunic, maybe the M40 tunic. Do whatever you want, I'm just giving you my personal opinion. Unfortunatley it doesnt really work that simply. Tunic patterns (earlier ones) didnt stop being issued when new ones came out. Existing stocks had to be used up. Many tunics were recyled and rewoven but you still see the M36 in pics on new recruits in 44 and 45... same goes for marching boots, the vast majority of guys had the more economical low boots but I've archive pics of 2nd panzer moving up to the front in Normandy and the youngest looking lad pushing a handcart of kit has marching boots and an m36 on. Germanys logistic and supply system was utterly screwed by 1944, you see stuff like tropical web straps being used because they were frankly running out of leather (to the point that 'compressed cardboard or 'presstoff' was used on non load bearing belts and items in 44/45). In armed forces (then and now) armies dont bin thousands of usable bits of kit when a new one comes out, its gradually phased out (remember then there was no 'army surplus' market like today - surplus kit was mothballed in storage, sold to weaker nations or just destroyed). Late war with germany on it's last legs they used whatever they had left. With vast quantities of DAK kit being unused after the withdrawal from NA and Italy they simply couldnt afford not to use anything that *could* be used n NWE. (note crippling shortages are why you occasionally see pics of guys wearing kit from other arms of service, FJ wearing regular pattern lids etc) |
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Post by Sgt_Tom on Aug 6, 2011 9:20:30 GMT -5
Ask yourself this: Why would I want to wear gear that is from the North African campaign era with an M36 tunic? It just doesn't make sense in my opinion. If you really wanted to use the tropical Y-straps I think it would work best with the M42 or M43 tunic, maybe the M40 tunic. Do whatever you want, I'm just giving you my personal opinion. In armed forces (then and now) armies dont bin thousands of usable bits of kit when a new one comes out, its gradually phased out (remember then there was no 'army surplus' market like today - surplus kit was mothballed in storage, sold to weaker nations or just destroyed). Late war with germany on it's last legs they used whatever they had left. With vast quantities of DAK kit being unused after the withdrawal from NA and Italy they simply couldnt afford not to use anything that *could* be used n NWE. I could imagine this would be especially true with tunics and y-straps as their was really no practical difference between an M36 Tunic and an M43 tunic or leather Y-straps vs DAK y-straps. |
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Post by poacher on Aug 6, 2011 18:40:44 GMT -5
FJ wearing regular pattern lids etc) Gerry Kaeppner, a quite famous FJR6 vet in the UK, once told me he coveted the regular steel helmet. It was the better protection it offered he wanted. It might not all be down to shortages in this case. You also find web kit with dates after the end of the Afrika campaign. It wasn't all using up old stocks. There was new made kit in these patterns. The 'coconut' water bottles so often touted as DAK are almost all dated rather late for Afrika. If you look at lots of the late war pictures that seem to show M36 tunics actually show later patterns with applied green collars. You do see M36 but not all green collared tunics are that model. It was a fashion thing, old hands had green collars so the new blood wanted to look like old. Happened with the caps too, happens today. |
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Post by Sgt_Tom on Aug 6, 2011 19:00:13 GMT -5
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Post by m1steelpot on Aug 6, 2011 22:26:28 GMT -5
Indeed, but this practice was much more common for ranks Uffz. and above. For the most part, guys wore basic issue stuff. If anybody here is a member of WAF take a look at the thread "Uniforms I wouldn't buy" in the Heer Uniforms section. In this thread are original photos of all sorts of wacky uniform/insignia combos. But, just because you have a photo of something doesn't mean you should do it. I have seen photos of Luft dudes wearing sombreros, another of guys eating pizza, and of course there are many example of rude nude dudes. |
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Post by Sgt_Tom on Aug 7, 2011 7:15:24 GMT -5
Yea I wouldn't do it, its just a cool photo.
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Post by gadge on Aug 7, 2011 7:23:16 GMT -5
FJ wearing regular pattern lids etc) It was a fashion thing, old hands had green collars so the new blood wanted to look like old. Happened with the caps too, happens today. So true, in my regiment in the 1990s, 58 pattern belts were fashionable as were tropical pattern trousers despite being obsolete after soldier 95 came out. Just made you look like an old sweat rather than a crow. |
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Post by ww2kid on Aug 8, 2011 1:57:18 GMT -5
While on the topic of Y straps, can an M36 tunic be used without
internal suspension in favor of said Y straps?
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Post by gadge on Aug 8, 2011 4:00:20 GMT -5
Yeah, certainly. TBH most the cheaper repros dot have proper internal suspension anyway.
Y-straps of either type take all the load bearing weight off your hips and/or the tunic and on to your shoulders, thats the point of them.
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Post by ww2kid on Aug 8, 2011 4:43:24 GMT -5
Ok thanks Gadge. I tried to research that on my own, but that particular piece of info was hard to find. Once I've gotten my info straight, and get my uniform funds, I'll be one step closer to joining you guys on the field ;D
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Post by gadge on Aug 8, 2011 6:41:26 GMT -5
Real tunics have internal braces that as you know go over yourshoulder and end in the metal hooks.
Cheaper ones like the spearhead ones just have fabric 'brace ends' sewn on at wasit level which cant really support a full equipment belts load and tear out of the fairly low quality wool.
You're much better off with y straps.
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