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Post by remrat on Nov 3, 2011 15:57:37 GMT -5
Disclaimer.
This is for testing purposes only, this involve real firearms and could cause serious injury or death. I do not encourage anyone to try this at home that is not familiar with firearms and the safety rules that apply this is not a toy and is not meant to be shot at any persons or animals. I am not responsible for your stupidity, I have my own to worry about.
Thank you.
Hello everyone, I'm back with a new project.
OK well I just made my real Mauser k98k and my lee Enfeild No.1 Mk.3 fire 8mm air soft bbs ( Not deemed safe yet) I will have Pictures up sometime this week hopefully.
How I did it was I took some empty brass and re-primed it, then on my Dylan 550 press I seated the bb and lightly crimped it. Just to get this strait there is no powder in the case just a primer to propel the bb. So I made five rounds for the k98 and put them on a stripper clip then loaded them in the gun and they went in with no trouble then I chambered the first round also with no problems. I fired at a 1' by 1' cardboard square at about 30 - 40 yards and it hit then I cycled and fired the other 4 with ease. I got 3 hits out of 5. Not to bad but I think I was using a mix of .27 and .43 8mm bbs so its possible the the .27 just vaporize out the barrel or just spin out of control because of the rifling. Any way im going to Chrono it later to see the fps. Like I said before not proven to be safe at all, not to mention pointing and firing a real fire arm at someone, BBs or no bbs its still a gun so anyway. thought I would post my accomplishment. Let me know what you guys think.
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Post by thisissparta on Nov 3, 2011 16:31:46 GMT -5
I think it's a revolution to wwii airsoft!
It's good to see you posting again buddy:) I wish you success in this new projects!
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Post by Sgt_Tom on Nov 3, 2011 18:49:46 GMT -5
Yea this idea has came up before. If you could get it to work I think it would be a great advancement to the hobby. People who already own the real deal wouldn't have to go out and buy an airsoft version. Anyways I don't think it would really be any less safe then firing a blank, but some may dissagree.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Nov 3, 2011 18:51:05 GMT -5
This has been discussed before and while a cool concept is obviously fraut with issues almost too numerous to list. Probably with just the primer as a propellant the FPS and jouelles created may be well within the limitations of what we typically deem safe for airsoft. A chrono gauged against the weight of the BB can determine the amount of jouelles of power created.
With that said, there is no getting around the fact that you would be firing a real firearm at another person which by statute could result in your prosecution for a felony (even if the injuries were minor or non existent.)
All it would take is a complaint and a local prosecutor with a mission. We are talking lots of jail time. This is NOT worth pursuing other than for target shooting and plinking. Very very very BAD idea.
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Post by no1sonuk on Nov 3, 2011 19:02:38 GMT -5
Apart from the perilous legal issues, it's not really all that effective to spin-stabilise a BB with rifling.
AND without a "grease patch" that was used in rifled muskets, it's probably no use at all.
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Post by remrat on Nov 3, 2011 19:20:32 GMT -5
This has been discussed before and while a cool concept is obviously fraut with issues almost too numerous to list. Probably with just the primer as a propellant the FPS and jouelles created may be well within the limitations of what we typically deem safe for airsoft. A chrono gauged against the weight of the BB can determine the amount of jouelles of power created. With that said, there is no getting around the fact that you would be firing a real firearm at another person which by statute could result in your prosecution for a felony (even if the injuries were minor or non existent.) All it would take is a complaint and a local prosecutor with a mission. We are talking lots of jail time. This is NOT worth pursuing other than for target shooting and plinking. Very very very BAD idea. Ya well I just shot it clean through 4 sheets of cardboard, Remember its also an 8mm not 6mm so that's quite a bit of force. One thing to remember too is that the rifles im using take large rifle primers were as some take small rifle primers which are considerably less power full. im going to try a 6mm bb in a .223/556 through my AR ill get back to you guys on the results. |
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Post by jimmiroquai on Nov 3, 2011 19:55:32 GMT -5
This is no longer "air" "soft". You are making a firearm "fire" bbs. The fact that it fires plastic bbs is not the point. The propellant is a tiny explosion, not air, making it a firearm. Interesting project, but don't call it airsoft anymore, please. For the sake of the more impressionable out there, i hope you can put more warnings and disclaimers on your post. And I hope you aren't considering using these to shoot at people. FPS also is not the issue. The issue is that you are using a real firearm to fire plastic bbs. This could have disastrous consequences for the airsoft community in general and the safety issues are off the roof. I do hope you change the title of your thread and put in more disclaimers and safety warnings in your first post. Otherwise this topic would be very irresponsible.
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Post by no1sonuk on Nov 3, 2011 20:30:43 GMT -5
im going to try a 6mm bb in a .223/556 through my AR ill get back to you guys on the results. The bore is too small - it'll shatter the BB. |
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Post by remrat on Nov 3, 2011 20:34:25 GMT -5
im going to try a 6mm bb in a .223/556 through my AR ill get back to you guys on the results. The bore is too small - it'll shatter the BB. You might be correct I'm still going to try any way but yes the bore is a Little small, maybe ill try a 243 round and see how that works. |
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Post by volkssturm on Nov 3, 2011 20:50:11 GMT -5
Going in the other direction, the Swiss make a device that allows one to fire plastic pellets through the STG90 (SIG 550) for indoor shooting. It uses a CO2 cartridge and replaces the bolt. Single shot of course.
Interesting project, but no way am I letting anyone shoot a real firearm at me, regardless of what it's loaded with.
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Post by remrat on Nov 3, 2011 21:52:04 GMT -5
Going in the other direction, the Swiss make a device that allows one to fire plastic pellets through the STG90 (SIG 550) for indoor shooting. It uses a CO2 cartridge and replaces the bolt. Single shot of course. Interesting project, but no way am I letting anyone shoot a real firearm at me, regardless of what it's loaded with. agreed would not want to get shot by and could you send a link to the Swiss system it sounds interesting. |
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Post by 2nd Bat on Nov 4, 2011 1:05:02 GMT -5
The military uses sim munitions that fire "soft" projectiles through their weapons in force on force encounter training. It is highly effective training but extremely painful. (No issue with people not calling their hits!) I have played aggressor for local training using these devices. Obviously in the case of the military the urgency of quality training during a time of war outshines the legal concerns civilians would have to respect.
As mentioned earlier this whole thread regardless of the disclaimers probably doesn't belong on this web site. Real steel + airsoft is NOT a good marriage. I am glad you are not suggesting this be a alternative approach to airsoft as no good could come from it.
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Post by volkssturm on Nov 4, 2011 11:59:05 GMT -5
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Post by jettalewis on Nov 4, 2011 15:44:45 GMT -5
I'm in total agreement with 2nd Bat. This is too dangerous to even talk about here. Next thing you know you will have some 13 year old doing the "same thing", but juicing it up some by adding just a "bit" of powder to give it some zing. What you have here is a FIREARM. Not airsoft. I don't care how you present it, it is a firearm. If you have any doubt about that just trot that outfit down to the local ATF bureau or even cop shop and see what happens. If you ever get caught shooting that in the city limits or, God forbid, at anyone you will learn all about how much the government can help you. I find it hard to believe this thread has been allowed to go this far.
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Post by remrat on Nov 4, 2011 20:14:33 GMT -5
I'm in total agreement with 2nd Bat. This is too dangerous to even talk about here. Next thing you know you will have some 13 year old doing the "same thing", but juicing it up some by adding just a "bit" of powder to give it some zing. What you have here is a FIREARM. Not airsoft. I don't care how you present it, it is a firearm. If you have any doubt about that just trot that outfit down to the local ATF bureau or even cop shop and see what happens. If you ever get caught shooting that in the city limits or, God forbid, at anyone you will learn all about how much the government can help you. I find it hard to believe this thread has been allowed to go this far. Well I happen to live in a free state called Arizona and im not a dumb ass who will be shooting people with it or within city limits. I don't think sheltering people and censoring information is the right way to go. Thank you but can we please stay on topic here. |
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Post by aj czarkowski on Nov 4, 2011 21:57:08 GMT -5
It's not safe but it is very interesting. I guess it's a good thing you live in Arizona to test this stuff out, only need to be careful the cactus don't see you lol.
Jettalewis: I'm nearly 15 and I don't have a single friend who is stupid enough to do that. I know theres tons of people who would, but not all of us are as dumb as you think.
by "stupid" and "idoits" I meant people who have no idea what they are doing and mean to shoot at people, or bring it into city limits. Not people who are experienced and are only using it for testing purposes
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Post by jimmiroquai on Nov 5, 2011 0:28:26 GMT -5
I'm in total agreement with 2nd Bat. This is too dangerous to even talk about here. Next thing you know you will have some 13 year old doing the "same thing", but juicing it up some by adding just a "bit" of powder to give it some zing. What you have here is a FIREARM. Not airsoft. I don't care how you present it, it is a firearm. If you have any doubt about that just trot that outfit down to the local ATF bureau or even cop shop and see what happens. If you ever get caught shooting that in the city limits or, God forbid, at anyone you will learn all about how much the government can help you. I find it hard to believe this thread has been allowed to go this far. Well I happen to live in a free state called Arizona and im not a dumb ass who will be shooting people with it or within city limits. I don't think sheltering people and censoring information is the right way to go. Thank you but can we please stay on topic here. Yes but the thing is, this a WW2 AIRSOFT site, and what you're doing IS NOT airsoft. Like i said before, it's an interesting idea but i agree that this does not belong on this forum. It's not a personal attack against you but this is just too dangerous to be part of what essentially is an airsoft forum. |
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Post by 2nd Bat on Nov 5, 2011 0:44:03 GMT -5
I agree. This is not a case of censorship or even a suggestion that the idea doesn't have merit. The problem is there are far too many potential challenges with the whole discussion. What you are describing is not airsoft and does not belong on this forum even in the popourri section.
Interesting thread but it has no place here. Be mindfulk of all the legal ramifications of your approach and realize that everything you do with regard to your testing, experimenting and plinking is legally identical in every state of the union as laws governing firearms. The statutes do not consider power (lack there of) or type of projectile.
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