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Post by frankieba5 on Oct 7, 2012 8:34:44 GMT -5
Hello! I am relatively new to airsoft (I joined because of my friends) and I am a huge history buff, and I love studying the period of time that was WW2. But I want a rifle, maybe a Kar98k or a Mosin Nagant, But I have a limited price range. I can only go up to about 125 at most. Thanks in advance.
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Post by frankieba5 on Oct 7, 2012 11:48:33 GMT -5
By 125 I mean 125 USD
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Post by CharleyNovember on Oct 7, 2012 12:52:06 GMT -5
There is no rifle in that price range. You might be able to get a used MP40 or Thompson for that though. There is a Thompson for sale in the for sale section for around 100.00
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Post by 2nd Bat on Oct 7, 2012 14:52:53 GMT -5
Perhaps the day is coming when a functional, and affordable main battle rifle will be available new for under $200.00 but so far youll have to settle for a sub machine gun. (As mentioned the Thompson or German MP40). The springer Kar 98 from DBoys meets your price range but is shell ejecting and under powered.
An AEG Garand is apparently coming but it will be well above your budget even with the less expensive ICS version. The GnG will no doubt be even more expensive. A non shell ejecting springer Kar 98 or Mosin Nagant seems like such a logical product but remains elusive.
For now the Thompson and MP40 work great but unfortunately remain far too commonplace at our WW2 airsoft events. Compared to even a few years ago it is a rich environment of choices. New offerings not even available at any price are the new Mosin Nagant, the Grease guns (2 choices) the sten, with a couple Garand AEGs and a more affordable BAR pending. While above your budget these are worth saving up for.
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Post by stuka on Oct 7, 2012 17:31:54 GMT -5
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Post by frankieba5 on Oct 7, 2012 19:39:12 GMT -5
Thanks so much guys, I am willing to go a little higher or lower
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Post by frankieba5 on Oct 7, 2012 19:46:30 GMT -5
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Post by aj czarkowski on Oct 7, 2012 21:53:39 GMT -5
Not too good... the gears are plastic, actually everything is plastic, no wood or metal. That wouldn't hold up too long in combat especially with plastic internals. Believe me, you should spend the extra money for a weapon that's build with real metal parts and it will last you a long time
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Post by frankieba5 on Oct 8, 2012 7:56:09 GMT -5
So the Dboys Kar98k isn't great?
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Post by frankieba5 on Oct 8, 2012 7:58:28 GMT -5
And what about an M1 gar ant
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Post by 2nd Bat on Oct 8, 2012 9:49:10 GMT -5
The Garands are still pending release but are expected to be good (hopefully). The Gas Garand currently available and out for several years is neither reliable or durable and not adequate for skirmishing. The DBoys Kar98 unfortunately is also clumsy and inconsistent as well as not really powerful enough for a bolt action rifle to skirmish with. It ejects shells which although authentic is not practical for airsoft skirmishing even if it had adequate power.
The all new BAR is now being shipped on a very limited basis and is a lower priced clone of the $1200 plus VFC BAR. Even with the lower price it is well above the budget you have set aside. Guys on this site build some very effective bolt action rifles marrying the VSR springer airsoft rifles with components from either replica or original parts that result in excellent, skirmishable replicas but they also exceed your limited budget.
The Thompson and MP 40 remain your best bet at $150 or so. stick with metal gear boxes however otherwise your FPS and durability will disappoint. For the Thompson I would avoid the drum magazine as it was quite uncommon during the war and the M1928 replicas in the lower price ranges have lots of visual infidelities. The drum would not work on an M1a1.
We are all anxiously awaiting the ICS and GnG Garand AEGs and the expectation is that the ICS will be the lesser expensive one but thus far pricing has not been announced for either. with anything you buy factor in the reality that you will need an adequate supply of spa magazines and the Chinese batteries and chargers included with the guns typically need to be upgraded in fairly short order.
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Post by brownien on Oct 8, 2012 10:27:51 GMT -5
IMO , depending on your impression Frankie, and guessing from your photo, you are US airborne so for your price range, either go with an aeg m14 and convert it to an m1 garand, or save up and purchase one of the Grarands 2nd Bat sells. They are really great guns and with the stock m14 internals, will always out shoot a stock Thompson in range and accuracy, which is great because the thompson's hopups are way too effective even at the lowest setting (causing the BB's to always arc up after a set distance, wrecking your accuracy at any long distance). Like Garnett said, you might as well get something that is going to work for you and work for you well in the long run.
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Post by warbirdguy1 on Oct 8, 2012 11:45:39 GMT -5
I had a plastic Thompson like that one, I used it for about 1000 rounds before selling it, no stess marks on the exterior or gearbox shell. Although it worked for me, I would not advise it since it has a very slow rate of fire. The range, accuracy, and FPS rate up with my metal Thompson but you do sacrifice durability!
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Post by frankieba5 on Oct 8, 2012 12:21:12 GMT -5
I think I will go with getting an age m14 and giving it a paint job, but I am not that great at painting or converting. So I also might get an Grarands 2nd bat
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Post by frankieba5 on Oct 8, 2012 12:22:23 GMT -5
Any members that could give me some tips on converting?
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Post by jettalewis on Oct 8, 2012 14:56:50 GMT -5
Keep and eye out and you may see one of the converted M1's come up for sale. That is going to be your cheapest way out unless you do you own conversion. If you use the M14 you can build up the stock and sand it down to look like an M1. There are threads on this conversion. As far as money is concerned you will probably end up with about $275-$300 in it, but you can take your time on obtaining parts. Your biggest expense will be the M14 which will run you about $165 plus shipping. The rest of it you can purchase as you can afford. The only person I know of who is selling a coversion kit is Warren with Shootandscoot and I believe that kit is about $155. I ordered one of them and after 4 months of no replies to emails I finally cancelled and got my money back. Good luck with your conversion.
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Post by CharleyNovember on Oct 8, 2012 16:04:51 GMT -5
I built my conversion off of Warrens cast metal parts and real wood. I had something he wanted real bad though so I got my parts lickety split.
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Post by aj czarkowski on Oct 8, 2012 16:36:10 GMT -5
The actual conversion kit for the M14 isn't hard at all. I was able to finish it in no time, nothing compared to the kar98 I built.
Your probably better off making an M1 Garand anyway, Thompsons aren't that great of a weapon
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Post by 2nd Bat on Oct 9, 2012 10:03:29 GMT -5
I have a few left over full conversion kits that include the handguards, gas assembly, stock augmentation piece and assorted paraphenalia needed to do the conversion along with the full step by step conversion process. it makes for a pretty easy conversion. They were priced at $145.00 but I am going to clearance price what I have left. I'll put an announvement in the marketplace thread. I am planning to price these remaining kits at $85.00 shipped in the US. For the base gun, a boneyard, reduced price AGM or Cyma M14 would be the way to go. Look for one that has visual damage but is otherwise functional such as a broken flash hider or broken butt plate flap as these are removed anyway. typically when these come around they are well below $100.00. Do not buy a non functioning gun unless you have repair skills and are a gambler.
Using this approach you can be in your M1 Garand at below $200.00 ($250.00 or so if you cant find a boneyard M14.)
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Post by jettalewis on Oct 9, 2012 12:57:54 GMT -5
Well, there you go! 2nd Bat has sold at least a couple of hundred of these kits and I haven't heard any complaints about them. $250 bucks is dirt cheap. With his $85 kit with complete instructions you will have a good start and can get the donor gun as you can afford to. Good luck
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Post by frankieba5 on Oct 9, 2012 14:19:44 GMT -5
Thanks a lot guys
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Post by 2nd Bat on Oct 11, 2012 14:32:39 GMT -5
with the two GARAND AEGs coming (hopefully this time they really are,) It makes sense for me to liquidate everything I have relative to my conversions and I have priced whats left to cover the cost of materials and still offer a net price that will leave the buyers feeling okay about their acquisition even after the new models actually get done and start getting shipped out.
The project is quite simple and actually a pretty fun model to build. (Essentially that is what its like) The end results shoot great and there is a certain level of pride in using something you custom built. I 'm confident the GnG and probably the ICS will be fine airsoft guns but yikes they seem to be taking forever to get released and I for one am usually reluctant to be the first in line to get any new release until I've heard good things about it from owners.
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Post by frankieba5 on Oct 11, 2012 18:41:33 GMT -5
How much money should it cost and what gun do I have to convert? And I have no experience what so ever converting.
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Post by aj czarkowski on Oct 11, 2012 18:48:27 GMT -5
The weapon you'd be converting would be an M14. If don't have any experience with custom building, you should probably buy the finished M1 Garand from 2nd Bat. But this isn't really that hard of a project, if you wanted to you could finish it in a few days, I finished mine in only two days.
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Post by frankieba5 on Oct 11, 2012 19:27:49 GMT -5
Does it come with instructions and how much knowledge is require. And what exactly are you doing to the gun? Is it possible to break it?
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Post by brownien on Oct 11, 2012 20:22:23 GMT -5
Breaking it is always a possibility, but in this case all your doing is basically modifying the asthetics of the gun. Removing a section of the front stock and adding the m1 gas assembly and front/ top hand guards. not really difficult to do at all.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Oct 12, 2012 10:50:19 GMT -5
i purposely designed this kit so you dont do anything to the basic functional parts of the base gun. No feed system alterations, no changes to the gear box no relocating the trigger or any of the things that cause these projects to dead end or fail. My supplemental parts are all pre shaped and sized to attach to the base M14 without modification and the gun still disassembles for repairs or upgrades. the only significant alteration to your base M14 is cutting off a couple inches at the front of the M14 stock. You technically dont even have to remove it from the gun to make this cut!
the base M14 that I recommend is the CYMA 032 or the AGM M14. The project will work on a TSD, UTG, Kart or Marui M14. it will not work on a Classic Army or GnG M14.
ll step by step instructions are included in the field manual included with the kit and these instructions are a combination of many many photographs depicting the process and full explanations.
in its most basic conversion it is a couple hours. (if that?) Following every stage possible, the full on, conversion with the stock augmentation (that many people dont do) it is a weekend project. the stock augmentation adds a lot to the projects end result but can be tackled later if you decide to. The stock augmentation piece saves you a ton of work and provides a nice look when done and furthers the illusion quite adequately.
I sold both the kits that were pre done and my wife shipped them out. I get home tomorrow night and will package up however many additional kits I have the components to make but once these are sold and shipped I am closing up shop. If you a planning on doing this project PM me on availability and have me set one aside for you if youre close to moving ahead on this.
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