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Post by volkssturm on Oct 6, 2010 22:20:52 GMT -5
Interesting. I wonder if the Vietnamese were picking up a little spare change selling off the stuff they captured when the South fell. The twenty round mag implies it could be Vietnam era.
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Post by Fusilier on Oct 6, 2010 22:39:58 GMT -5
Again guys , I DO MY RESEARCH , i don't pull this impressions out of my ass . >> Wow.
Nobody said you did,I just said I never saw it.
Well, I just keep my questions/comments to myself from now on..
Wow
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Post by Vii_Cii on Oct 7, 2010 9:56:33 GMT -5
Adler, youre impression is so wrong. We cant see your chest hair when you are using that t-shirt! ; D
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Post by volkssturm on Oct 7, 2010 10:25:14 GMT -5
The only things I could nitpick about the GI impression is that it looks like you've got M56 ammo pouches. By the late '70's I think those were pretty uncommon. I had them in Alaska '72-'74, but when I went to the National Guard in '76 we were issued M67's. Doesn't make them wrong, of course. Old stuff has a way of staying in the inventory. The three prong flash hider on the M16 would be very unusual. Other than that, it looks great.
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Post by CharleyNovember on Oct 7, 2010 14:37:39 GMT -5
No I think Adler gets these directly out of his ass! It's cheaper that way and is why he has so many. It's like a dark stinky walk in closet of militaria in there I bet....ok TMI there probably...I can't confirm any of this hoenstly I've never been up there, don't intend to be up there and I doubt Adler would be comfortable with me looking around up there...
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Post by geostormz on Oct 7, 2010 16:51:27 GMT -5
I'm not sure if Vietnam sold capture M16 directly to USSR (Ruski would have obtained samples through spys and such), but I know that they sold (or rather pay back the Chinese for military aids during the war) a numbers of M16s and M14s to the PRC. Norinco Clone both M16 and M14. Interestingly enough, Nonrico clones of the 16s (CQ-311) sold a numbers of CQ-311 to Mujaheddin, to spite the USSR effort in Afghanistan. *quickest referrence of this fact is to check Wikipedia. Since the PRC at that time did not adopt the M16 or its clones, most likely the surplus from Vietnam also went to Mujaheddin. Maybe the soviet capture these? My vet friend also told me that he saw some MG42, PPSH-51, and Lee Enfield still being use in Afghanistan when he was station there. On the lighter side of things, I'm posting one of my fictional loadout, enjoy. Yes its Ghost from COD MW2
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Post by zzs8mm on Oct 7, 2010 16:58:36 GMT -5
Hopefully I didn't sound I was questioning your impression, because I wasn't. I was just interested in the info on how it was obtained. I read my comment again, I meant to say, "I would think (as in my opinion since I assumed)" but thank for the time to write it out.
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Post by volkssturm on Oct 7, 2010 17:57:45 GMT -5
I'm just speculating here as to the Vietnamese and any possible weapons sales. They had a whopping big stash of US weapons at the end of the "American War." The Afghan resistance groups were getting considerable funding from the Arab oil states. There's a fairly large and shadowy international arms trade that doesn't care who they buy from and who they sell to. I think it's not improbable that some ex-South Vietnamese M16's couldhave found there way to the Mujaheddin.
I remember in the mid '80's hearing stories about M16's with the serial numbers of weapons given to South Vietnam showing up in places like El Salvador.
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Post by CharleyNovember on Oct 7, 2010 18:28:35 GMT -5
That is a lot of locks on your door Geo....lol
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Post by geostormz on Oct 7, 2010 21:30:04 GMT -5
CharleyNovember: The locks are there to keep the nazi zombies from breaking in . lol pvtsnafu: Your speculation are true though, both the RVN (South) and SRVN (North) are renown for being corrupt, the SRVN is even more so then the RVN. From the stories that I've heard from my families members, illegal arms trade is not all that strange. Plus you said that some made it to El Salvador, i doubt that it would be much of a different it would have been to send them to Afghanistan.
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Post by Relish on Oct 8, 2010 3:29:55 GMT -5
Two questions: Vest? TT MAV? One suggestion: If you're a righty, I'd think it would expedite your reloads to move em over to your weakside (left hand if you shoot right), because its your left hand thats gonna do the changing. Looks cool though. Most of the losers around me just wear the skull mask with applesauce ty $10 crossdraw vests and say "I CAN HAZ MW2? LOLZ"
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Post by gadge on Oct 8, 2010 14:50:56 GMT -5
Soviet troops had been capturing M16A1s from the Dushman after a couple of battles starting around 1987 , Enough ammo and magazines had been captured that some officers gave permission to troopers who had earned it to carry the M16A1 , the way i carry my magazines is the way they where doing it. . The big question is why on earth would you use the A1 out of choice ? Given the nature of the climate I cant see why anyone in there right mind would swap there AKM or an Ak74 for an M16A1 I mean it wasnt exactly a good rifle to start and reliability over there must have been horrendous. I can only imagine a combination of light weight, a longer accurate range and trophy status made it worthwhile.
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Post by Fusilier on Oct 8, 2010 15:03:57 GMT -5
Soviet troops had been capturing M16A1s from the Dushman after a couple of battles starting around 1987 , Enough ammo and magazines had been captured that some officers gave permission to troopers who had earned it to carry the M16A1 , the way i carry my magazines is the way they where doing it. . The big question is why on earth would you use the A1 out of choice ? Given the nature of the climate I cant see why anyone in there right mind would swap there AKM or an Ak74 for an M16A1 I mean it wasnt exactly a good rifle to start and reliability over there must have been horrendous. I can only imagine a combination of light weight, a longer accurate range and trophy status made it worthwhile. >> I couldn't agree more! When I was first in I was issued an A1.Then I became the unit armorer and had to deal with those pieces of you know what! I'll take an AK over any M16 variant in most cases.However! The new A2 is MUCH more accurate than an AK ever will be. That being said,sure,you can hit someone 300 or more meters away,but I want something that will knock my target down on the first or second shot.
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Post by volkssturm on Oct 8, 2010 18:32:15 GMT -5
Here's an impression I used to do a long time ago in galaxy far, far away. Fort Wainwright, Alaska, 1973: Me on the left, impersonating an infantry lieutenant.
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Post by whiterook on Oct 9, 2010 21:17:05 GMT -5
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Post by Adler69 on Oct 9, 2010 23:26:21 GMT -5
Soviet troops had been capturing M16A1s from the Dushman after a couple of battles starting around 1987 , Enough ammo and magazines had been captured that some officers gave permission to troopers who had earned it to carry the M16A1 , the way i carry my magazines is the way they where doing it. . The big question is why on earth would you use the A1 out of choice ? Given the nature of the climate I cant see why anyone in there right mind would swap there AKM or an Ak74 for an M16A1 I mean it wasnt exactly a good rifle to start and reliability over there must have been horrendous. I can only imagine a combination of light weight, a longer accurate range and trophy status made it worthwhile. Trophy status is what i heard from a guy i talked to , the fact that the weapon was an American made weapon and it had been captured after a hard fight , it gave the soldier that took it off the dead Muj a good trophy , everyone back at base kept looking at it and they fired off a few rounds. On another ambush they captured ammo crates that where being carried on horse back and amongst the crates was one with 5.56 ammo so they had some ammo for the A1 , apparently the Muj in the area where using at least a couple of them because several weeks later the Soviet troops where ambushed and they reported hearing a weapon that had to be an M16.
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Post by Adler69 on Oct 9, 2010 23:28:56 GMT -5
Adler, youre impression is so wrong. We cant see your chest hair when you are using that t-shirt! ; D There ain't much hair on my chest man. ;D
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Post by Adler69 on Oct 9, 2010 23:40:37 GMT -5
Hey guys .... Getting ready for Operation Irene at the end of the month at the Zussman MOUT Site near Ft. Knox. My modern airsoft team was tagged to do Somlia FF ... Thanks in advance for any Comments, Suggestions, and/or Advice Looks really good , as a matter of fact that impression looks like you could be a fighter from the Islamic Courts Union.
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Post by max1337 on Nov 19, 2010 3:51:55 GMT -5
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Post by Adler69 on Dec 23, 2010 21:32:01 GMT -5
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Post by click on Jan 2, 2011 10:41:25 GMT -5
In three months Ill post my modern Marine-on-boot-leave impression. See you then WW2AA.
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Post by Cpl. Hicks on Jan 2, 2011 16:05:14 GMT -5
In three months Ill post my modern Marine-on-boot-leave impression. See you then WW2AA. Good luck bro! I'll be prayin' for ya.
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Post by Adler69 on Jan 26, 2011 0:07:05 GMT -5
New impression i put together PMC
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Post by 10target on Jan 27, 2011 10:44:43 GMT -5
Sweet! Your'e like the man of all disguises lol, with all of these layouts.
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Post by Rapture on Jan 27, 2011 12:40:46 GMT -5
Small word of advice for the PMC loadout. Ive done them in the past and from my research they are not allowed to use any issued camo and Im pretty sure DPM still counts. Just a word of advice.
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Post by volkssturm on Jan 27, 2011 13:47:33 GMT -5
Adler, does your wife give you a ration of s#%& about taking up all the closet space? ;D
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Post by Adler69 on Jan 27, 2011 18:40:19 GMT -5
Small word of advice for the PMC loadout. Ive done them in the past and from my research they are not allowed to use any issued camo and Im pretty sure DPM still counts. Just a word of advice. The British are facing out DPM in favor of MTP , by the end of this year all British forces in Afghanistan will have been issued MTP , making Arid DPM a NON-ISSUE pattern. A lot of British troops are already wearing MTP.
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Post by Adler69 on Jan 27, 2011 18:41:55 GMT -5
Adler, does your wife give you a ration of s#%& about taking up all the closet space? ;D Nope , she is fine with it , i leave her enough room in the walk in closet for her to keep her good stuff , the rest of the time she is a jeans and t-shirt girl.
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Post by docdodge on Mar 14, 2011 21:57:40 GMT -5
I think the only units to wear camo post VN were the Marines,82nd and 101st. And it was ERDL,it was the set that was similar,called the RDF pattern. Similar to ERDL,but with straight pockets and more brown in the pattern. I had an experimental pattern when I was in in the mid 80's,I have a pic of me wearing it,I should scan it and post it. For a several months in the summer of 1976, the border camps of the 2nd ACR were allowed to use ERDL for unmounted patrols along the E.German and Czech borders with W.Germany. I was at Camp Gates near Brand as a medic 91B20 and Scout 19D10. ERDL worked fine in the woods and I believe that the Warsaw Pact troops spotting camo-clad as well as OD-clad troops may have been confused as to what units were deployed. Heck, once on a Jeep trip to Nurnberg, we were tailed a while by a SMLM Mercedes for 30 minutes when we were in a non-restricted zone. They were trying to figue out who we were as none of us were wearing insignia (per op order) and our bumper #s were mudded over (per op order). We loved confusing Ivan. That was back when it was Black Berets (2nd + 11th ACR) in garrison, Steel Pots in the field.
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Post by volkssturm on Mar 15, 2011 17:15:24 GMT -5
Black berets? I thought the only guys who wore black berets at that time were Rangers and SEALS.
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