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Aug 18, 2005 0:39:58 GMT -5
Post by Snake on Aug 18, 2005 0:39:58 GMT -5
Hey everyone, I am new to the site yet have been a WWII fanatic forever. I even made a movie on it by interviewing nine of the remaining veterans in my town and adding real footage, "Saving Private Ryan" footage, and "Band of Brothers" footage behind them. Anyways, enough about that.
My favorite WWII weapon would be the Browning Automatic Rifle, yet the only one I could find is not in production anymore (I think) and quite pricey. I was curious if maybe any of you knew if their are any (I doubt there is) or what guns are good to mod into one. (I would appreciate some pointers or a slight, brief summary on what you would go to doing this efficiently) and I say brief so no one types their fingers to the bone.
I would be grateful to even get a response to this with the slightest bit of information as I really want to have a BAR since I also have the one that my granfather (my hero) used. (be cool to have the real steel and the airsoft one and put them next to one another)
Thanks
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Aug 18, 2005 8:19:56 GMT -5
Post by Capt. Zak on Aug 18, 2005 8:19:56 GMT -5
Seems the hardest part about getting an airsoft BAR is finding a parts kit to convert to an airsoft BAR. They just are not around. Find a parts kit and the rest is pretty easy.
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Aug 18, 2005 9:14:58 GMT -5
Post by schmitty on Aug 18, 2005 9:14:58 GMT -5
1) Find a parts kit or replica BAR, parts kits are hard to find and usually go fo $600+ without the reciever. There are a few replicas but they are usually pretty expensive to.
2) Figure out which airsoft AEG gearbox fits best, due to the lack of a pistol grip it will probably be the new M-14's. With Tokyo marui's pending M-14 release many of us WWII buffs are hopeing to see some profesionaly produced conversion kits. Maybe somebody will make a BAR?
Where there is a will, There's always a way.
Schmitty
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Aug 18, 2005 9:41:33 GMT -5
Post by schmitty on Aug 18, 2005 9:41:33 GMT -5
Well now that I said there are replicas out there I can't find any I'm sure I've seen some though. There are solid resin models but I don't think they would be strong enough to actually use. Since you already have one to model off of you could scratch build another. Schmitty
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Aug 18, 2005 12:11:46 GMT -5
Post by Snake on Aug 18, 2005 12:11:46 GMT -5
Thanks for some advice. I guess people just aren't fans of that gun because not to many soldiers had them in the war compared to the others. I will be looking around for some conversion kits, yet if that fails I think I will buy an M-14 and make one from scratch using the gearbox and other parts from it.
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Sept 16, 2005 0:12:51 GMT -5
Post by vince on Sept 16, 2005 0:12:51 GMT -5
I know its kind of late to post this, but I felt like I just had to. I just finished my BAR a couple of months ago, and it turned out really nice. Its a compilation of real BAR parts and the rest I had to machine myself. Real parts include: Stock, forearm, tirgger group, and magazine. The receiver I machined out of a solid chunk of aluminum, from a scale diagram that I drew up. The barrel is an old shot out garand barrel that I bored out to take an m16 tightbore. Its a version 3 mechbox that took alot of rearranging to fit, including the bevel gear and the motor which had to be moved toward the rear of the gearbox. In all its a really hefty gun (nearly 15 pounds) but its serves its purpose really well. Ive used it in many skirmishes, and it does its job flawlessly as a support weapon. Inside the mag is a 190 m16 midcap, but I modded it to take about 250 rounds. Its a real gem to shoot and runs smoother than any other of my aegs. The rof is around 350-400 so ammo wasing as a support weapon is not really a big issue. Anyway, here are some pics, Enjoy!
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Sept 16, 2005 1:25:31 GMT -5
Post by CPL. Mills 2nd Rangers on Sept 16, 2005 1:25:31 GMT -5
how much did it cost to make???
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Sept 16, 2005 5:41:30 GMT -5
Post by Capt. Zak on Sept 16, 2005 5:41:30 GMT -5
Now that is a sweet weapon! Where are you located Vince?
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Sept 16, 2005 6:09:25 GMT -5
Post by phantom12321 on Sept 16, 2005 6:09:25 GMT -5
I am going to take a guess and say that that thing isn' t firing airsoft bb's or am I wrong? :S
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Sept 16, 2005 10:07:13 GMT -5
Post by Gordak on Sept 16, 2005 10:07:13 GMT -5
Thats awesome! Congrats. Too bad that parts kit costs so much, in adddtion to being very hard to find!
-Gordak
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Sept 16, 2005 10:25:07 GMT -5
Post by schmitty on Sept 16, 2005 10:25:07 GMT -5
WOW!! very cool. nice work. Nice jeep too! Is it a M-38 or CJ-2-3? Any chance of some pictures showing the internal parts of the BAR? I have made a couple custom guns using the same gearbox mods, moving the motor, bevel gear and anti-reversal latch. It's a tricky mod but makes for a very compact gearbox. I made an mp40 (before Top released one) and a PPSH41, that my wife uses in her Russian impression. Very nice to see other custom work.
Schmitty
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Sept 16, 2005 18:40:13 GMT -5
Post by vince on Sept 16, 2005 18:40:13 GMT -5
I live in southern Arizona. Its kind of a drag because Im really the only person I know or have met im my area who collects/skirmishes with WW2 gear and weapons. The closest Ive came was seeing somene other than me used a thompson at a game.
Cost, I would have to say maybe in the $200 range. The parts fom the real BAR combined with the cost of the internals came to a bit over $200. All of the machine work probably took a little over 150 hours.
My jeep is actually a 1946 cj2a. Its actually a rare model because the shift is on the column and not on the floor. I rebuilt the engine, and redid the whole thing with new tires, wiring and paint.
The gearbox had have alot of cutting done to it. The whole rib on top of the cylinder had to be removed so the cylinder would line up with the barrel without having to cut throught the top of the receiver. I also had to bolt two steel reinforcing bars underneath the cylinder head to keep the box from cracking. The trigger switch is a total seperate piece from the gearbox, and is located in the actual trigger assembly of the gun.
Thanks for the compliments!
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Sept 19, 2005 9:41:07 GMT -5
Post by schmitty on Sept 19, 2005 9:41:07 GMT -5
A column shift jeep, wow that is rare. I have a 42 MB. It's a pretty early Willys with no glove box and the willys logo on the back.
Is you BAR full auto only? One trick I have done on custom aeg's (not that it matters to you now) is to use a p90/thompson cylinder head which has the nozzle offset from the center of the cylinder by about 1/4" to allow the gearbox to be lowered (or raised if you turn it upside down) in relation to the barrel. It also involves modifying the tappet plate to match the height of the nozzle.
Schmitty
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Sept 19, 2005 22:07:16 GMT -5
Post by savoy6 on Sept 19, 2005 22:07:16 GMT -5
now you just need the BAR web belt....lol
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Sept 20, 2005 13:29:50 GMT -5
Post by gunfreak on Sept 20, 2005 13:29:50 GMT -5
can i copy the pic, I just got to show this to some ww2 airsofters here in norway? I will ofcorse host it on my own and tell every noe hwo made it..
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Oct 8, 2005 3:16:39 GMT -5
Post by vince on Oct 8, 2005 3:16:39 GMT -5
can i copy the pic, I just got to show this to some ww2 airsofters here in norway? I will ofcorse host it on my own and tell every noe hwo made it.. Sure go ahead! Also, I would have used the raised nozzle cylinder head and it would have allowed me to keep that top rib. But the whole box would have had to go down further and the placement of the gears wouldnt have allowed it. Right now the bottom of the second gear is right above the top of the trigger pin.
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Oct 9, 2005 13:09:17 GMT -5
Post by savoy6 on Oct 9, 2005 13:09:17 GMT -5
just as an off question.....do you think the same thing might be made using an uzi motor/mech box set up?i know there was a firm in the UK that was making them with Uzi internals but they have a rep for very poor customer service.just wondering how well you think it might fit?thanks.
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Oct 9, 2005 16:57:06 GMT -5
Post by 101st all the way! on Oct 9, 2005 16:57:06 GMT -5
you can get a gas opperated bar on wwiiguns.com its non blow back its called a jac bar its about $2000
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Oct 12, 2005 1:33:40 GMT -5
Post by 2nd bat on Oct 12, 2005 1:33:40 GMT -5
Typically people who do these kind of custom offering do so for their own use but without a doubt there is market for just such a weapon world wide that would support production. Let's see custom machine work at say $50.00 per hour times 150 hours plus the $200 in materials. Hmmm $7,700.00 .... never mind. It looks awesome and you did a great job.
Hopefully someone will come along and mass produce them so they can be retailed at a fairly reasonable price. In the 1,000.00 range or less, I'd be all over one.
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Oct 12, 2005 8:25:09 GMT -5
Post by CPL. Mills 2nd Rangers on Oct 12, 2005 8:25:09 GMT -5
1000 range??? I would hope for 400 or less.
If Marui made it it would cost about $400
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Oct 12, 2005 9:00:49 GMT -5
Post by gunfreak on Oct 12, 2005 9:00:49 GMT -5
a custom gun if it works(dosn't have to work well, can ble sold for $2000
just look at Shoei, if the made a working BAR somebody would by it even if it cost 1500-2000
of couse it would be alot more comen if a more mainstream company made them for 400-1000
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Oct 12, 2005 17:34:06 GMT -5
Post by 2nd Bat on Oct 12, 2005 17:34:06 GMT -5
Call me crazy but for once I want a rare gun that actually works well and is skirmishable. The Garand and Bar shouldn't be too much to ask for as they were quite widespread in the real world and would have lot's of application from WW1 through Vietnam and later!
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Nov 28, 2005 19:56:50 GMT -5
Post by johnyopportunity on Nov 28, 2005 19:56:50 GMT -5
vince where did you get the parts to make it? thanks.
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Nov 28, 2005 20:43:42 GMT -5
Post by Masterchief89 on Nov 28, 2005 20:43:42 GMT -5
ive seen one bar on this web site called wwiiguns.com..is that any help?
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Nov 28, 2005 20:59:54 GMT -5
Post by CPL. Mills 2nd Rangers on Nov 28, 2005 20:59:54 GMT -5
DONT BUY FROM WWIIGUNS>COM THEY ARE A SHIFTY DEALER, THEY TAKE YOUR MONEY AND DONT SEND THE GUN
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Nov 28, 2005 21:09:49 GMT -5
Post by Guinness on Nov 28, 2005 21:09:49 GMT -5
I just realized- Yo Vince- isn't this the same gun and a picture of you with a bit more hair than in the pics from the other page here? Definately the same yard- and you go by the nickname "M79 Grenadier" on the AirsoftPlayers forums? Can you share with us how you got the 'parkerized' finish on the aluminum? I think you said something about a 'spray-on' paint? Because I'm thinking of trying that out on my new Marushin M1 Garand. Thanks! and Sweeeeet BAR and Jeep! And oh yeah- nice nails you remind me of my son ;D I especially liked the pic of you flipping the BAR off lol! -G
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Nov 28, 2005 22:53:11 GMT -5
Post by 2nd Bat on Nov 28, 2005 22:53:11 GMT -5
Guiness,
At many hobby stores you can find Model Master Mettalizer paint in small aerosal cans. I used gunmetal on my M-14 to Garand modification but there are other shades as well. I felt it looked better then the black finish on the Marushin Garand. Once it drys you can buff it which gives it just a little bit of mettalic looking sheen or you can leave it completely dull. The finish on the BAR (which looks awesome by the way) appears to be that or a dark primer grey.
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Nov 28, 2005 23:38:38 GMT -5
Post by Guinness on Nov 28, 2005 23:38:38 GMT -5
Thanks John! I had found some 'parkerizing' paints for real-steel guns but they all had to be baked in an oven.......didn't think that would be a wise move for an airsoft gun -G
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Nov 29, 2005 19:58:38 GMT -5
Post by johnyopportunity on Nov 29, 2005 19:58:38 GMT -5
How did he get the gear box in the gun? I do not see any lines where it would split it open.
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Nov 29, 2005 23:25:31 GMT -5
Post by 2nd Bat on Nov 29, 2005 23:25:31 GMT -5
In an extensive article on Arnies it explained that he machined the entire receiver group and used a M-16 magazine fitted into an actual BAR magazine.
I'm going to paint my Marushin Garand with the parkerized finish as I think it's more period correct then the gloss black it came with and will more closely match my AEG Garands. Frankly the Marushin Garand looks too new for a field reenactor piece. Incidently I discovered that with very little tweaking the 10" Garand bayonet slides right on and off! I have 3 rubber ones as well (sheathed)
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