TommyGunner
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Post by TommyGunner on Jan 28, 2008 18:32:45 GMT -5
Well I have decided that over Spring break I will be building a LeeEnfield No.4 Mk1 (I was inspired by this ww2aa.proboards45.com/index.cgi?board=technical&action=display&thread=1201534218) I have a TM VSR-10 Im gonna use but the internals will be removable so that I can switch between the Enfield and My other Springfield. Now I want to creat a British Riflemens impression. What the heck do I need. I dont even know where to start on this one. I also want to get a Brit imp together before all the Brit gear is gone. TommyGunner
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Post by savoy6 on Jan 28, 2008 18:53:22 GMT -5
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Post by jd7 on Jan 28, 2008 19:41:40 GMT -5
Slick from CiA - www.ww2airsoft.org.uk posted his thread on the link u have supplied Tommygunner. We have a British WW2 Group that will be right up your street, called PBI - drop over and check out the forum. I'm sure Gadge - registered here and one of the PBI leaders will provide assistance
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Post by TommyGunner on Jan 28, 2008 19:47:08 GMT -5
Great thanks guys Im gonna sift through this all tonight.
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Post by gadge on Jan 28, 2008 20:02:06 GMT -5
Ok basic kit. 37 or 40 pattern battledress in brown wool/serge, if you live in a very hot place you might want to do an italy loadout and wear the denim version. 37 pattern webbing, skeleton order is a belt, cross straps, 2 basic bren pouches (everyone had these to feed the ammo hungry bren), water bottle holder and water bottle. bayonet frog, no4 bayonet. Black ammo boots, double leather sole, 13 hob nails. Web anklets GS (general service) cap (this is a really bloody silly looking beret) MKII steel helmet (a mKiii 'turtle back' is fine for post d-day. khaki cotton ammo bandolier. Thats the bare minimum, the rest depends on what unit/regiment you want to portray good pic here: www.ww2airsoft.org.uk/zoom/hallamshires.html
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Post by TommyGunner on Jan 29, 2008 12:34:34 GMT -5
Alright now that I have an idea of what I may need I have to pick a front to portray. The first that coems to mind is the ETO. Its the most prevelent and I can go to practically any event with the WW2AA )especially here in the midwest) and be fine with an ETO uniform and gear set up. On the other hand I primaraly do PTO USMC so I would really love to keep with my Jungle warfare impressions and do a CBI kit. This would mean however I could nto use my kit at events. (I cant use my USMC kits as it is) So what do you guys think. ETO or CBI.
Im also gonna start on the Enfield stock and handguard this weekend.
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Post by gadge on Jan 29, 2008 14:14:33 GMT -5
Med theatre is best, you can mix african khaki drill kit with serge battledress. its a cheaper way to start and you have more freedom on how you wear your kit in the med than in ETO. (open collars, no anklets, civvy pullovers, shorts, officers in sandals etc....) Here's a pic of my med island raider loadout. Airtex khaki drill shirt, denim trousers, web belt with tank holster and cap comforter. And a pacific theatre 'chindit' loadout: Two commando 'balkans/yugoslavia': And 52nd lowland division late war piat team in camouflage windproofs:
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Post by click on Jan 29, 2008 14:52:18 GMT -5
Great pics gadge! Question: Where do you recomend buying denims from? I thought perhaps warren from Shoot&Scoot but on his site the trousers look (postwar and not correct). Also they need to be larger than the average original that you see lying around. I would need about size 13 if I remember correctly.
Also where can one buy an undershirt (or whatever you call the buttonup shirt that goes under the jacket) or lookalike (I heard dutch are very similer as well as swiss?)
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Post by gadge on Jan 29, 2008 15:14:17 GMT -5
My denims are 'whatpriceglory' and i think they are spot on.
SOF do them but i think they are a tad too shiny and thin. BUT they do a good ORs collarless shirt.
I wear a KD aertex one as a 'sicily veteran' (we portray 15 platoon south staffs normally who took ponte grand bridge and were the first allied troops to land openly on occupied europe!)
Denim sizing is tricky
It SHOULD be the same size on the label as your battledress but be much bigger as it was worn over but the numbers correspond so for example a if you wanted closely fitting denims you need to buy a size smaller than your BDs etc. Size 13 denims are not the same size as size 13 BD, its more like size 16 or 17 BD.
that make sense?
Some repros dont size like this though.
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Post by click on Jan 31, 2008 10:46:35 GMT -5
TommyGunner, you should do a Pacific impression and build a jungle carbine. It is somewhat similar to the VSR and seems easier to build than a No. 4. Click
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Post by TommyGunner on Jan 31, 2008 11:55:57 GMT -5
I was thinking about doing that but if I build a Jungle Carbine I cant use it for ETO events then. So I dont know.........
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Post by click on Jan 31, 2008 12:17:27 GMT -5
I was thinking about doing that but if I build a Jungle Carbine I cant use it for ETO events then. So I dont know......... TommyGunner Just yuse your Tommy for the ETO events then! Click
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Post by TommyGunner on Jan 31, 2008 14:56:17 GMT -5
Yeah but I hate having to use the Thompson. Even though its an M1928 and not an M1A1 like everone else here in the miwest its still a tommy gun and there are way too many of them out there. Even with a brit impression. I will be getting a pistol grip for it to use if I want to run around as a brit with a tommy though.
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Post by gadge on Feb 1, 2008 6:09:23 GMT -5
To be honest in the uk allied players with anything but an m1a1 is rare so i wouldnt let it bother you too much
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Post by woodcocustom on Feb 1, 2008 14:17:26 GMT -5
I'll build a sten mk3 from a parts kit for $950
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Post by 2nd Bat on Feb 1, 2008 16:30:17 GMT -5
Yeah. Tommy gunner if you came to my ETO event all kitted out in a denison smock and all the right gear and had the adacity to come with a carbine version of the Enfield only seen in the Pacific I'd throw your ass out! How inconsiderate. Think about the limey vets who would be dissapointed and disrespected by such things. The carbine frankly looks pretty cool.
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Post by TommyGunner on Feb 1, 2008 16:42:02 GMT -5
God I hope someone would do that to me becuase I obviously had lost my mind. Actually I may at some point build a Carbine Version too. But I ownder was tyhe WW1 Version of the Enfield (Mk1) used in WW2 at all. I personally want to build that one as opposed to the no4
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Post by Sgt_Tom on Feb 1, 2008 18:35:42 GMT -5
gadge in those british pictures above are you holding Airsoft guns or Blank shooting ones.
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Post by click on Feb 1, 2008 18:54:06 GMT -5
Deacts...
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Post by troyluginbill on Feb 1, 2008 23:07:36 GMT -5
Tommy-go with a BREN. Used in both theatres, and it keeps the autorifleman action you got going with your BAR.
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Post by troyluginbill on Feb 1, 2008 23:09:15 GMT -5
Gonna hijack this thread quick though.
Gadge, the PIAT you have in the bottom pic. Have you ever fired one or sim fired one? I have always heard how horrible they were compared to a bazooka, but honestly I have never seen one in action. Any comments?
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Post by click on Feb 2, 2008 16:53:33 GMT -5
Gonna hijack this thread quick though. Gadge, the PIAT you have in the bottom pic. Have you ever fired one or sim fired one? I have always heard how horrible they were compared to a bazooka, but honestly I have never seen one in action. Any comments? They have a huge recoil all going into the shoulder of the firer! Not cool! click
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Post by gadge on Feb 3, 2008 19:29:32 GMT -5
Right try and answer them all.
Guns are a mix of airsoft and de-acts. The webley revolver, bren and SMLE are deacts all others are airsoft (our group has TWO airsoft brens now)
The SMLE rifle was used in the med, the desert and in burma throughout the war. It was only really the ETO after overlord that saw use of the no4 rifle.
PIAT is an inert replica.
The PIAT is a much maligned weapon.
It does have a pig of a recoil and is recocked by the firing action , this doesnt always work and it means you have to stand on it, pull up and twist it to recock it. Not the best drills to have to do under fire.
A PIAT is *comparatively* short ranged (150m realisitic) against say a schrek or bazooka but it has in my opinion better qualities.
1. The round is very effective and can take out a tiger 2. It cam be used as a mortar if required 3. You can fire it prone without setting fire to yourself or oppo 4. It has no giveaway back blast, muzzle flash or particularly loufd noise 5. YOu can fire it inside building without concussing yourself or bringing the house down 6. Unlike a bazooka it doesn't *hurt* to fire it when the air pressure changes around you.
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Post by gadge on Feb 4, 2008 14:56:33 GMT -5
late war UK line inf loadout. Possibly the cheapest way to do brit as you odnt have to wear BD under it and you dont need anklets. Just windproof suit, webbing and boots.
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Post by m1891 on Feb 18, 2008 19:03:11 GMT -5
If someone knew how to make a good enfield for me i would sure do this type of kit!!!(hint hint)
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Post by bef on Feb 24, 2008 23:01:29 GMT -5
Just two points. First of all, Jungle Carbines were rarely/never issued in WWII. If you read Khaki Drill and Jungle Green, Brayley and Ingram state that the Jungle Carbine was only issued to a para unit that went into occupation duty in Norway. Second of all, windproof suits are ok if there's one set per every handfull of guys. Look at the photos, woolen BD was the standard and norm for PBI units in NW Europe.
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Post by click on Feb 25, 2008 2:58:44 GMT -5
Sorry, I have seen several pics with soldiers in burma carying jungle carbines. They were on ebay and I didnt save them to my comp. So sorry I cant post 'em. I think they were issued to more than Paras.
Do oyou have any pics of the paras using the jungle carbine?
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Post by gadge on Feb 25, 2008 5:27:57 GMT -5
Just two points. First of all, Jungle Carbines were rarely/never issued in WWII. If you read Khaki Drill and Jungle Green, Brayley and Ingram state that the Jungle Carbine was only issued to a para unit that went into occupation duty in Norway. Second of all, windproof suits are ok if there's one set per every handfull of guys. Look at the photos, woolen BD was the standard and norm for PBI units in NW Europe. Not true at all about windproofs. The 52nd lowland division had them issued to every soldier. Check out the pics of flushing and the advance through the low countries. The item was on general issue from winter 43, it is more commonly seen as just the smock though.
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Post by m1891 on Feb 25, 2008 21:33:10 GMT -5
anyone ever do a ww1 brit loadout?
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Post by 2ndranger on Feb 26, 2008 23:20:46 GMT -5
What would be a good British Impression that would function better in the summer (impression for events with hot days). What would I need, where do I get it? Thank you.
Franz
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