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Post by labrador on Jan 18, 2012 10:50:49 GMT -5
I left a very polite note on their FB site. I suggest EVERYONE pile on. They probably won't listen but its worth a try' i plan to ask all of the guys from my group to add to the thread.
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Post by warbirdguy1 on Jan 18, 2012 11:24:54 GMT -5
Did anyone figure out what magazines they use?
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Post by yith on Jan 18, 2012 11:55:42 GMT -5
They've always said they will be custom mags. They said 8 round capacity in that vid.
BTW, I've waded in with a few friends on facebook to add our disappointment as well.
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Post by warbirdguy1 on Jan 18, 2012 18:47:09 GMT -5
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Post by warbirdguy1 on Jan 18, 2012 18:52:20 GMT -5
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Post by aj czarkowski on Jan 18, 2012 19:14:39 GMT -5
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Post by yahooda on Jan 18, 2012 19:22:27 GMT -5
thank god.
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Post by mastermike95 on Jan 18, 2012 20:07:08 GMT -5
Good news they are making a plastic model for poor people like me. Still tho 8mm? beh, whatever at least im stocked on 8mm bbs from my old Marushin 8mm M1 Carbine.
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Post by roadwarrior on Jan 18, 2012 20:29:41 GMT -5
Someone broke the front sight, it seems to be missing the left tab/part.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jan 18, 2012 21:05:18 GMT -5
Keep hitting them with imput on your preferences. Maybe they can salvage this thing and create something workable. They need positive reinforcement not slams over minutia. I've suggested that they go with components representative of the early war Garands (most collectible) single slot front locking lug, slotted handguard band, site locks and if possible the grenade sites dug into the stock. It wouldn't cost one penny more to do them that way and would make them much more appealing.
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Post by tinydata on Jan 18, 2012 21:13:42 GMT -5
I suggested that they go with the standard Marui M14 gearbox. I don't care what year of manufacture it represents- if it doesn't shoot right I don't want it!
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Post by Schmozilla on Jan 18, 2012 21:21:23 GMT -5
The sights look like BAR/K98 sights....
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Post by Adler69 on Jan 18, 2012 23:30:38 GMT -5
No , that is Garand Front sight , it is missing the Left side indeed.
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Post by warbirdguy1 on Jan 19, 2012 8:10:07 GMT -5
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Post by SgtSalmon on Jan 19, 2012 15:07:24 GMT -5
After watching evike's video. There may still be hope for it. If there's a 6mm Imitation wood one, I may think about getting it.
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Post by aj czarkowski on Jan 19, 2012 19:09:18 GMT -5
That "one of only two examples of an AEG M1 Garand" is 2nd Bats And there IS going to be a 6mm version if you read my last post Airsoft GI said they will have both. Let's hope it's true
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Post by shadycadence on Jan 19, 2012 19:33:37 GMT -5
Is Airsoft GI making them? Are they a corporate affiliate of ICS? Not to impugn YOU specifically, but over the years I have heard so damn much he said she said rumor mill grapevine bullapplesauce , I don't believe anything about upcoming products unless it's direct from a manufacturer's rep. EVEN THEN it gets salted. Heavily.
Besides, don't you think 2nd Bat would have mentioned it? He is THERE, after all.
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Post by aj czarkowski on Jan 19, 2012 20:28:03 GMT -5
I have no idea if they are going to make a 6mm version, but ASGI said they are, and that they will have both. I don't know how they know, or if they're lieing but that is only what they said
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Post by kken on Jan 19, 2012 20:38:22 GMT -5
is this the same evike that said a $300 BAR is coming out soon?
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Post by aj czarkowski on Jan 19, 2012 21:06:40 GMT -5
is this the same evike that said a $300 BAR is coming out soon? Your wrong, I said ASGI. But since everyone is pissed at me for some reason, SURE
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Post by tinydata on Jan 19, 2012 21:27:51 GMT -5
I wouldn't trust that idiot in the evike videos. He called the Marushin M1 an AEG.
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Post by HornetWSO on Jan 19, 2012 22:07:22 GMT -5
is this the same evike that said a $300 BAR is coming out soon? Your wrong, I said ASGI. But since everyone is pissed at me for some reason, SURE No one is pissed at you. There's too much emotion over vapor ware. it's all hearsay until it comes from the horses mouth!
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jan 19, 2012 23:36:01 GMT -5
No one hopes what he says is correct more than I do and they did pull the plastic shell out of the case for him which is way more than they did for me. The fellow at the show I spoke with said he was the ICS Garand project manager and he's the one who said " it is a year away hopefully.". He also said it was 8mm and when I protested and expressed my shock and disappointment he said nothing about another variation. Odd since it was obvious that was what I was hoping for. I really hope the fellow from evike is right and I am wrong but vaporware is the best way to describe this currently.
I think ICS genuinely wants to support our hobby and obviously it's in their best interest to do it well. A version seven m14 gearbox and 6mm is the easy course to follow so one would think... Let's hope for a happy outcome here but thinking this is immediately pending and just what we are looking for is not the case as things stand currently.
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Post by Rekkon on Jan 20, 2012 10:21:24 GMT -5
F***- 8mm? That cuts our range down dramatically. 8mm just has too much surface area to fly properly at airsoft velocities. I really don't want to have to buy a separate supply of ammo to feed just ONE rifle in my armory. Ya, I am throwing a BS flag here. While I do not own any high powered 8mm weapons, I crunched the drag numbers yesterday. BB velocity matters more than BB size, which is not surprising since drag is a function of area and the square of velocity. A .2g 6mm BB travelling at 400 ft/s contains about 1.49J of kinetic energy. The initial drag numbers for this BB and others with the same energy are: .2g 6mm (400 ft/s): 0.0668 m^4/s^2 x r x C .3g 6mm (327 ft/s): 0.0447 m^4/s^2 x r x C .43g 8mm (273 ft/s): 0.0554 m^4/s^2 x r x C .48g 8mm (258 ft/s): 0.0496 m^4/s^2 x r x C Where r is the density of air and C is the coefficient of drag for a sphere. These two values should be the same for all BBs, assuming similar surface finishes. Unless someone has empirical evidence to the contrary or I can be bothered to solve the range calculation numerically, I see no reason to immediatley assume 8mm will have drastically reduced range. The only certain disadvantage that comes to mind is the lower projectile velocity, giving your target more time to react and complicating deflection shooting.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jan 20, 2012 20:23:45 GMT -5
One of the things shared at the Shot Show was that ICS strives to meet all countries limitations and restrictions for their rifles so every gun they have is limited to 1 jouelle of power. That means that stock ICS guns will shoot at around 320FPS or less with 20 gram Bbs. An 8mm assuming its 34 gram will be around 230 to 240 FPS This was commonplace back in the Marui days when all Japanese guns came stock at 1 jouelle or lower. As with Marui, upgrade parts will be available to increase the output but obviously at additional expense. In the case of the Garand if it is 8mm (as stated at the show) available parts to do these upgrades will be rare or unavailable at least initially. For simplicity and compliance I can see why ICS would want to do this but obviously it is a concern. For the Grease gun I don't care a sub machine gun representing pistol ammunition and having the advantage of small size and high rate of fire will be perfectly skirmishable at around 300 FPS. The Garand should shoot at a higher jouelle rate (in my opinion) The concept of 8mm in a semi auto low magazine gun is not all bad. The reality is if the jouelle rate can be perked up an 8mm BB would actually be pretty cool. They are less impacted by the wind and have greater inretia maintaining their FPS longer and absolutely being easier to feel when struck. This is critical with semi auto rifles especially in a hobby where people are used to reacting to multiple rapid strikes. (Often a single hit doesn't register as a hit!)
This doesn't mean I don't still hope the gun comes as a 6mm but simply points out that there are some upsides to 8mm. The ICS Grease gun has a prorietary gearbox and according to the rep at the show so will the Garand. (That in my opinion can be good and bad.) For the 8mm they stated they probably will need a longer stroke and bigger airchamber to adequately and consistently propel the larger and heavier BBs. I am convinced all of this is way way down the road but it does give us all something to ponder and anticipate.
I really wish they had kept things simple and had something to release now not a year from now. I remain hopefull. No matter what I will be in line to get one.
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Post by tinydata on Jan 20, 2012 22:49:14 GMT -5
Rekkon- go ahead and call BS, but I owned the Marushin Garand. The SI version had a single hop-up and it couldn't shoot worth a damn. The 8mm ammo was not well suited for typical airsofting. That's the "empirical evidence" that I have. Maybe, just maybe, if a company like G&G manufactured high quality rifles and high quality 8mm BBs, then it might work. However, the KE will still be very high to get a gun that is skirmish worthy.
There was a long thread on Arnies where people debated the best diameter for airsoft rounds, and 8mm was a definite loser. When I'm considering an airsoft rifle, I want the BBs to be readily available, reasonably affordable, and I want them to GET TO THE TARGET quickly enough that I'm not waiting forever just to get a hit. The real .30-06 certainly doesn't take that long and I'd rather keep the flight time as short as possible. I much prefer 6mm .25g BBs to 8mm of any weight.
My results with the 8mm are that it has issues past 130 or so feet. Keep in mind, the Marushin Garand had a pretty high muzzle velocity with any of the 8mm ammunition that you fed it. Initial drag numbers might be the same, but the performance drops off severely once you get to extended ranges. With a rifle that holds 8 BBs, I want the maximum range and effectiveness that I can get. The ICS Garand in 8mm is not going to provide that.
So throw your BS flag all you want. There's a reason why the best airsoft sniper rifles are built on 6mm and not 8mm. If you can find a 8mm airsoft rifle that can throw accurate shots out to 250 feet or more while having a skirmishable kinetic energy, then please introduce me to it.
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Post by aj czarkowski on Jan 20, 2012 22:59:19 GMT -5
It's not the bb size that I care about mostly the accuracy and range and I actually prefer 8mm. The first airsoft gun I got was the marushin carbine, and it was my only weapon up untill it broke and I bought an AEG Garand. It really didn't make much of a difference but I think the 6mm was alot faster than the 8mm, but my 6mm garand couldn't shoot as far as the 8mm carbine but those are only two guns. My kill\death ratio was very close using both weapons
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Post by 2nd Bat on Jan 21, 2012 19:21:26 GMT -5
Oddly enough with the Marushin Garand the .43 gram 8mm BBs shot further and at a higher FPS than the .34s... Apparently the slower initial acceleration in the barrel accumulated more back pressure by the time the BB cleared the muzzle. Neither had the range or FPS of a typical 6mm AEG although folks definitely knew they were hit. Not that it hurt more as it didn't seem to but there was more of a thump. (Obviously with twice the weight) One concern is that there are some fields that do not allow 8mm BBs or have bizarre calculations for FPS.
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Post by netshark993 on Jan 29, 2012 21:20:47 GMT -5
ICS Got the message! www.facebook.com/#!/ICSairsoftgun/posts/314463028596964?notif_t=feed_comment
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Post by aj czarkowski on Jan 29, 2012 21:50:21 GMT -5
The link is broke, but HOORAAY
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