captured weapons?

[mauser98k]

What kind of weapons did the germans take from the allies, and would it be dumb to buy a gun as a "capture". I need to know because a lot of the fields by my place don't allow kar 98's.

[smokeythebear]

well I dont think it would really matter just any gun they could grab. off topic did the germans take american 1911's like the americans did with the luger?

[Nimlas]

Well yes I think it would matter.From what I understand Krauts liked M1 Carbines alot. I've seen it in my photos. As I beleive Zak said they shyed away from the Garands as it took some skill and training to reload.

[Capt. Zak]

They loved the M1 CArbine. They also took a liking to the Ppsh-41 on the Eastern Front.

[jardows]

As well as the SVT-40. In fact, it was the use of captured SVT-40's that inspired the G43.

[mauser98k]

I thought they were inspired from the garand to make the g41-g43

[YankeeDiv26]

i wouldnt get why they loved the carbine. it was a good weapon for rear eschelon but they probably would be the last ones to get it so to me it doesnt make much sense why the germans would like an underpowered carbine. hey mauser where did you get your logo, if you made it yourself then u are god

[Nimlas]

Underpowered? I think not.
If you actually do all the math, the round is much more powerful than a .357 Magnum round, so all this crap about soldiers not being able to put a round through a Chinese Parka in Korea is BS.It
is just an excusemade up by those guys who couldn't shoot for sh*t.

And yes, Dakota is a God, and my personal Photoshop Monkey!

[mauser98k]

hint hint m1 thumb

[spitfire740]

Italians could have used the thompson . I can say Sam Giancana sent a "Chicago type-writer" to me, and that I'm his long lost cousin.

[waffenman1945]

yes ive seen pics with all kinds of allies weapons......i would wouldt u

[neillblume]

ive seen pics of americans with mp40s apparently the germans loved the thompson for its rate of fire and reliability and the americans loved the mp40 for its accuracy and reliability. The germans started the war with k98 a vgery good rifle but because of the way their tactics worked the average infantryman did not require so much firepower. that is the theory of course. Someone said that the garand was the rifle of the war except for the ping as it ran out of ammo, informing your enemy you were defenseless. In truth there are some pics i ve seen of single infantrymen with like three differnt guns! k98 + m40, or k43 and mp44

[indy]

I would advise against using 'captured weapons', it wasn't exactly the norm, that is unless you're portraying a German on the E. Front ; many PPSH41s were used. I'm not saying that this wasn't practiced elsewhere ; Mark Bando came out with a book a while back about D-day and in almost half of the pictures of the paratroopers they had captured weapons....however the situation called for it. I think if you have a German impression you should have a German weapon...try to get one of the new MP40 AEGs, or perhaps get into classic airsoft.
Cheers
Thomas

[CharleyNovember]

If these China made MP40's remain reliable then there is really no reason not to have a German weapon. and hopefully there will be a China made K98 soon so that the loadouts will be more authentic instead of every German airsofter running around with a MP40

[2nd Bat]

I think we're on the cusp of things finally breaking wide open. At the Long Winter coming up they're expecting probably 50 players and all will have very decent impressions, there will be lots of props and probably over a third of the players will have period correct looking weapons.

I can't wait.

[mauser98k]

Holy cow, this thread has been going for a LONG time. :\

[lando]

Nimlas: No, the M1 carbine's round being underpowered is not crap. Untill you have been-there-done-that you cant have a say. How many people have you shot and dropped with the Carbine? It's the same with the M4 and the 5.56mm, everyone says it's more than enough to knock someone down and keep 'em there, except for the people that actually do the shooting! Try watching a Dirka running away 200 meters into a house after taking eight 5.56mm rounds. Listen to the people that do the shooting, not the ones doing the calculations.

[Nimlas]

lando said:

How many people have you shot and dropped with the Carbine?

I don't often get the chance to go shoot people.
Have you? Have you personally shot someone with an M1 carbine? I think it'd be hard for you to make a statement about the potency of the Carbines round when you have not been there yourself.

Although I could be wrong, maybe you're the one and only 21 year old WWII vet, and have dropped guys with a carbine.

The M4 and the M1 carbine are totally different weapons, not fair to drag that one in.

[guitarmaster]

From another forum he said he is in the 10th Mountain Division Infantry man in iraq. www.506airbornediv.proboards88.com/index.cgi?board=joining&action=display&thread=1168293505&page=1 scroll down a bit

[napalm]

I can confirm that he's 10th Mountain... used to play here in STL before joining up... he's in the same Battalion as one of my good friends from high school.

[phantom12321]

Why would your field restrict K98's? Is the FPS too high?

[napalm]

The K98s have the potential to shoot over 500 FPS. I remember when I had mine I used green gas in it and it shot 530... of course this was in the summer. Most fields (at least ours) do not let weapons shoot over 500 FPS.

[Nimlas]

napalm said:

I can confirm that he's 10th Mountain... used to play here in STL before joining up... he's in the same Battalion as one of my good friends from high school.

Ok, he can't be using an M1 carbine? Can he?

[2nd Bat]

There are always debates and disagreements about the potency of some weapons vs another. The M1 carbine wasn't the cow dropper the M1 garand was not is the .223 M4 as potent as an M14 or AK 7.62. But guess what. They both are more then capable of getting the job done and none of them would be fun to get hit by. In WW2 a lot of troops complained about the lack of stopping power with the carbine (especially at range) Alot of GI compained about alot of things. Some had merit and some didn't. I'm sure in many of the cases sited the GI wasn't actually hitting his target.

A friend of mine Sgt Kenn Miller came upon a NVA soldier on a trail. They were within 10 feet of each other. Both emptied mags in the others direction and ran away. neiher scored a hit. You have to understand that Kenn is an excellent shot and one of the finest warriors I know. People often blame weapons where skill or anxiety was at fault. Kenn of course will admit that. A carbine round will effect a person if it hits them. The idea of rounds bouncing off Chicom jackets is hooey. It doesn't have the effect of a Springfield or Garand. Getting back to the original thread the carbine was a popular weapon with the germans who even gave the weapon a wermacht designation

[chadwick]

actualy, my grandfathers favorite weapon he used was the M1 carbine. he never had a problem taking down an enemy. he prefered it to the M1 garand. the m4 scientificaly being a small round, has more speed than the .30 cal rifle, but has a terrible shock effect.

[2nd Bat]

Lando is in fact in Iraq currently and was due back originally in January. Then delayed to February now delayed further till March. In Vietnam, guys counted the days and even the hours until they got to come home. Your ticket home day was exactly 365 days from arrival in country and that date was pretty much carved in granite. If the army prolonged that date on the freedom bird to the average trooper, there would have been a mutiny. These young men and woman serving in todays military are amazing. My hat is off to them all.

Debates about stopping power and the virtues of individual weapons are never ending. There were pluses and minuses with every weapon, in every armies inventory. The original thread of course was about captured weapons and that's probably where it should stay. Let's hope in the coming years we'll have enough viable and affordable choices to carry on the debate about who should be carrying what. I know Leland will be carrying an AEG Garand when he gets back! Hooah!

[TommyGunner]

I can not personally say that the carbine was underpowered or not, but Joe Levato who was a USMC in WW2 and a personal friend of mine, can say how powerfull the gun was and he says it was not too powerfull.

He disliked the Carbine, he was forced to use it several times when he ran out of ammo for his Garand and it was really hard to stop a Jap in his tracks with it. Plain and simple it would take too many rounds to drop one if he was charging you. (Remeber this is what I was told by a man who used the gun on Sipan and elsewhere)

quote from Joe Levato " A Jap whos been shot but can still shoot is just as bad as one that hasnt and unless you drop him right then and there your dead"

Hence why the Carbine among the Marines was not liked all that much you had a hard time stoping a Jap on the first shot.

Im also not saying its any easier to stop a Jap on the first shot with any gun either, my position is neutral, if I decide to do an impression that requires a Carbine Ill do it simply becuase they did it and no matter how bad you gripped or groaned about it you still had to get the job done with what you got issued.

Hard hitting or not at least they had something to shoot with.

TommyGunner

[hinka]

on the carbine issue,

i was a replacement for handguns/smgs for rear area troops, and light infantry

its a lot more accurate than a 1911, (ive fired both here in england b4 the pistol ban)

but you loose power it dosnt stop as well as .45.

the trade off is range, 150-200m carbine, 30-50m 1911

you get (in theroy) more range to stop the target than with a pistol.

to compare with the garand in not practical. the garand and m1 carbine are totally different weapons for different jobs.

[2nd Bat]

Whatever the reasons the Germans loved them of all the captured US weapons it was their favorite. The US GIs liked grabbing Lugers and P38s and often grabbed MP40s. At this point in WW2 airsoft we should feel fortunate if half ourt players have a period correct airsoft weapon regardless which side the weapon is from.

[YankeeDiv26]

amen to that 2nd bat. wow i never noticed how this thread was still going. looking back on my carbine statement from last august i'm kinda wondering why I said that in the firstplace. I used a very broad statement saying "underpowered" and i think i was trying to refer to how it compared to garands, springfields, and bar's.