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Post by sabrepilot9000 on Sept 4, 2006 22:43:06 GMT -5
Does anyone know what the uniform Ed Harris wore in Enemy at the Gates consisted of? I know its probably a jumble of stuff but I've always kinda liked the look of it. I dont know a whole lot about german uniforms and was wondering if you guys could give some info. Thanks again you guys.
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Post by Sascha Gusdorf on Sept 4, 2006 23:18:38 GMT -5
Actually, he was from the Mountain Troop Division; they were known in Germany as the "Gebirgsjagers". If you notice his M43 soft cap that he wears throughout the film, it adorns the flower pendent on the left side; this was the "Edelweiss", that was awarded to the Gebirgsjagers at the time of the second World War. He also wears what's known as an "Anarak" (or Parka, with a lining). Hope this helps you. --Ben
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Post by sabrepilot9000 on Sept 5, 2006 8:37:13 GMT -5
Score. Thanks Ben. What kind of boots are those? Jackboots or those old riding boots? (sorry I'm so noobish)
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Post by Russian on Sept 5, 2006 18:21:19 GMT -5
Hey man, no prob with askin questions. How else would we learn?
I believe they are jack boots, but I havnt seen the movie in awhile...I could be wrong. Second opinion?
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Post by sabrepilot9000 on Sept 8, 2006 16:41:29 GMT -5
Would this be most of the uniform (minus the jacket since I couldnt figure out what it is)?
M1943 Field Grey Mountain Cap
Army Reed Green HBT Breeches
German Officer Leather Belt
German Officer Jackboots
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Post by Gordak on Sept 8, 2006 20:34:51 GMT -5
the jacket is called the wind-jacket and they came in many variations, originals are actually pretty cheap because of this. NOTE its not the 3 pocket annorack, that mountain troopers used alot.
The hat is the Bergmutz and they were around a long long time before the m1943 cap. The bergmutz is noticable because it has a smaller bill and a higher peak.
when you see a german in an m1943 hat, before 1943, its a bergmutz and your looking at a mountian trooper.
Officer pants in reed green hbt, I seriously doubt that, but it is remotly possible, I had an original pair for a time.
Belt and boots were probably typical, just what you said.
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Post by sabrepilot9000 on Sept 9, 2006 1:03:02 GMT -5
Gordak!! Your like a friggin plethora of info! You got an answer to every question I have lol. You know any reliable places that would stock all of those items perhaps?
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Post by waffenman1945 on Oct 13, 2006 14:36:01 GMT -5
could u post a link for the gear please
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Post by Doom on Nov 24, 2006 12:18:53 GMT -5
Since I have put in a few hours researching this same outfit, here's my 2 cents....The jacket is a Swedish M1909 field coat, the pants are standard issue, the boots are riding boots not jack boots (they go up to his knees). The cap is as stated in the above post with the edelweiss leaf on the left side(I cannot find the EXACT leaf pin used in the movie online, but settled for a more accurate repro on Ebay). Here is a link for a detailed 1/6 figure on Major Koenig. The boots are wrong on the figure and the jacket is close, but the rest is very accurate. Hope this helps www.pixelbinder.com/favorites_figure12_karter.html |
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Post by 29ththerealpimps on Nov 24, 2006 12:22:10 GMT -5
The jacket is wrong too. Don't use toy soldiers as a resource for your uniform. That is worse than using band of brothers.
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Post by Doom on Nov 24, 2006 12:30:22 GMT -5
I didn't use the figure to put together the outfit. I used my dvd copy of Enemy At The Gates and stared at screen captures of every angle of Ed Harris during the final confrontation as he knows he's about to die. I also did a lot of research to find out what kind of jacket he was wearing. Turns out it was chosen for looks, not realism. There is no reason a German officer would be wearing a Swedish jacket, but it looks really good on film. The figure was well done and I liked the pic, so I used it as a link.
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Post by 29ththerealpimps on Nov 24, 2006 12:58:09 GMT -5
dude we have already said it and prooved that it was a german wind jacket
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Post by Doom on Nov 24, 2006 17:11:50 GMT -5
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Post by Doom on Dec 8, 2006 0:53:34 GMT -5
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Post by guest on Dec 14, 2006 15:02:58 GMT -5
Well done (and said), Doom.
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Post by guitarmaster on Dec 14, 2006 20:37:45 GMT -5
I am not saying its bad but its kinda not cool when someone does a whole impression from a movie.. Like after BOB came out and now how many Easy Company 506th 101st units there are. But good look.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2006 20:59:00 GMT -5
there are no units in VA.......i would be thankful for anyone who did 506........
back on topic, i think a german sniper in general would be rather cool. didnt they were all there gear on there backs like pistols and ammo? as to be able to crawl easier?
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Post by hetzer on Feb 28, 2007 13:00:33 GMT -5
Sorry for warming this up again, but I too am searching for this jacket without any success since quite while now.
Does anyone have an idea of where to look out for this sweedish wool jacket, if that's the correct one?
Thank you!
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Post by twotypes on Feb 28, 2007 18:07:14 GMT -5
Well, per the earlier discussion, that depends on whether you're wanting "screen" accuracy or "historical" accuracy.
I have no idea where to find the Swedish jacket if that's what you're looking for, but Hong Kong Keith, Barry Lyndon, and Lost Battalions sell the more historically accurate wind jacket. It just depends on how much you want to spend.
Cheers!
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Post by hetzer on Mar 1, 2007 0:41:58 GMT -5
As I'm going more for looks than historical accuracy, I'm searching for the swedish jacket. The strange thing is, I didn't even get any useful results when googling "m1909 jacket" or similar phrases. I really have no idea where to look for this piece of kit.
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Post by Doom on Jul 16, 2007 22:05:26 GMT -5
Sorry to revive this dead thread but the hat Ed Harris wears is available from surcompany.com ready to go. It's a wool Officer's cap with the JAGER oakleaf (NOT the Edelweiss flower) and runs 39.00 (includes heer eagle) + 8.50 for the Jager leaf (sewn onto the side). I've never found the Swedish jacket, but many companies still produce similar tan suede leather coats with the "lambs fur" collars. Ranchers have been wearing them since the 1800's. Sportsmansguide.com has a couple that are close. So if you want "movie accuracy" you could get away with it easily. Add the hat and jacket to your standard German wool Officer's uniform and you're done. Now go kill some Russians. (And remember, Major Koenig wears Officer boots. NOT Jack boots).
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Post by odinfish on Jul 17, 2007 9:51:09 GMT -5
Well, I'll take advantage of a resurrected post...Anyone have any info or know the whereabouts of info on Jäger troops? I know they were classified as Light/Mountain Infantry and began to form around mid '42. Sites such as Feldgrau.com and Axishistory.com are very limited.
Mike
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Post by Jager.Drü on Jul 17, 2007 12:12:22 GMT -5
depends on what type of Jager you are talking about. The Mountain troops were formed before the war, fought a little in France/Poland did major fighting in Kreta. There are many types of Jager, PanzerJager, SkiJager, Paras(FJ) Mountain Troops(GJ).
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Post by odinfish on Jul 17, 2007 12:41:30 GMT -5
depends on what type of Jager you are talking about. The Mountain troops were formed before the war, fought a little in France/Poland did major fighting in Kreta. There are many types of Jager, PanzerJager, SkiJager, Paras(FJ) Mountain Troops(GJ). Lol...I thought I did that? They were classified as Light (Mountain) Infantry. The "Mountain" part sometimes in or out depending on the historical reviewer. These units wore the oak leaves on the sides of their caps as well as sleeve patches. As usual, mid to late-war formed units were comprised of various troops: prior Infantry, Gebirgsjager, Artillery, Engineers, raw recruits, etc... However, what isn't clear is the training (if any extra) these men had, especially if they were fresh recruits or detailed roles in battles. Areas of operation seem to be from the Eastern Front down to Italy and finally in Berlin. I hope that helps to clarify a bit. Mike |
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Post by Jager.Drü on Jul 17, 2007 22:27:45 GMT -5
Gebirgsjager wore the Edelweiss flower, they are the moutain troops.
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Post by Doom on Jul 17, 2007 22:38:42 GMT -5
For future generations, here's the definitive Major Koenig reference pics because a picture speaks a thousand words......  THE HAT:  THE GEAR:  THE DRESS UNIFORM:  THE SMOCK:  THE BOOTS, JACKET & GEAR:  |
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Post by Jager.Drü on Jul 18, 2007 0:06:12 GMT -5
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Post by odinfish on Jul 18, 2007 7:22:01 GMT -5
Gebirgsjager wore the Edelweiss flower, they are the moutain troops. With all due respect, I'm not inquiring about Gebirgs-Divisonen. I'm specifically asking about Jäger-Divisionen. And Wikipedia is hardly a resource for anything but basic information...and that is questionable since it can be updated by a 4th grader at any moment. Mike |
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Post by Jager.Drü on Jul 18, 2007 11:35:56 GMT -5
theres is no Just Jager-Divisionen. It always has a perfix. So GebirgsJAGER, Infantire-Jager= like a Ranger.
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Post by neoptolemus on Jul 18, 2007 13:40:15 GMT -5
I thought Jager divisions in the infantry were simply standard WH units with a nickname.
ie: 101st Jager Division
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