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Post by odinfish on Jul 18, 2007 17:04:36 GMT -5
theres is no Just Jager-Divisionen. It always has a perfix. So GebirgsJAGER, Infantire-Jager= like a Ranger. Care to explain why they are listed as completely separate divisions? Or why there are Jager-specific patches then?...such as: Gebirgsjager = Edelweiss Jager = Oakleaves Ski-jager = Oakleaves with Skis ...did I forget anything else? I can't believe I'm even arguing about this. Check your information again please. Maybe this will help to enlighten: www.feldgrau.com/infanterie.htmlwww.axishistory.com/index.php?id=30**Also the term "infanterie" is not interchangeable with "Jäger"...that would be Grenadier. So, Infantry divisions became Grenadier divisions in mid to late war. Mike |
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Post by Jager.Drü on Jul 18, 2007 23:31:33 GMT -5
PREFIX, Gebirgsjager is a prefix.
Do you what a Jager is yet? If not then please be quite.
Jager is a Ranger for rough areas, not a mountian troop.
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Post by spitfire740 on Jul 18, 2007 23:33:55 GMT -5
well the Edelweiss grows in the mountains, so its no wonder why the gebirgsjager uses them, same goes for the Italian Alpini. Obviously the patch is a symbol of the profession of the soldiers.
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Post by odinfish on Jul 19, 2007 7:42:58 GMT -5
PREFIX, Gebirgsjager is a prefix. Do you what a Jager is yet? If not then please be quite. Jager is a Ranger for rough areas, not a mountian troop. Wow...ok, I'm done arguing since it's like doing so with a wall. I should be quiet? Hmmm...being that you're much more infinitely intelligent than I, I will refrain from insults and further attempts to have a constructive discussion because apparently you are incapable of supporting your facts/argument except for the fact that I should "be quite"...assuming you mean that I should be quiet. Spell check works wonders btw.  Exactly the point I was trying to make. Which is why I had initially asked if anyone knew more about Jäger-Divisionen and not Gebirgs-Divisionen. Mike |
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Post by Jager.Drü on Jul 20, 2007 0:16:56 GMT -5
Can you find a picture?
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Post by odinfish on Jul 20, 2007 9:34:42 GMT -5
Immediately I can find the oakleaf patches available at a militaria collector's site. Read the "background" info. www.germanmilitaria.com/Heer/photos/H76955.htmlwww.germanmilitaria.com/Heer/photos/H002156.htmlwww.germanmilitaria.com/Heer/photos/H035757.html The term "light infantry" is an accurate English term for what a Jäger was. Up until WWI, there were no Division or Brigade sized units of Jäger, rather they were company sized units assigned to larger units with the role of scouting and skirmishing. From an American perspective, we would call them Rangers so that is a correct association on your part. In 1942, when they decided that "Infantry" was a bad word, and changed Infantry Regiments to Fusiliers, Grenadiers or Jäger, the newly named Jäger units were equipped and clothed like mountain troops. I have read reference to the fact that they were trained to fight in the low mountains, generally at a lower elevation than Gebirgs-Einheiten. Often, that was all well and fine on paper, during war, anything goes. At the minimum, they were organized like a mountain division, and I believe taught to tactically operate (fight) like one, which means they emphasized small unit tactics and autonomy but specialized on hit and run – and therefore reverted back to their Jäger tradition, which the Gebirgsjäger had been carrying on. For more information check out the "Organization" tab under these Divisionen: www.feldgrau.com/JagDiv1b.phpMike |
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Post by Jager.Drü on Jul 20, 2007 10:51:05 GMT -5
So they are like rangers. NOT US rangers, but like rangers from Lord Of the Rings. They do a little bit of everything. Got it, would be a cool impression.
The only reason I even arguing with you is that you come off as a smart a$$. Just be'n truthful.
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Post by odinfish on Jul 20, 2007 11:46:25 GMT -5
So they are like rangers. NOT US rangers, but like rangers from Lord Of the Rings. They do a little bit of everything. Got it, would be a cool impression. The only reason I even arguing with you is that you come off as a smart a$$. Just be'n truthful. I think you need to take a look at your own posts before judging mine...perhaps we mistook each others' approach but I viewed your responses, many rather short and seemingly purely argumentative without offering any research to substantiate your comments. If you recall, I initiated the query for information...then read on from there. Otherwise, I'm still open to more into the history of these troops. AND...an LOTR reference within this discussion is just, well, odd. Also I prefer the term "bastard" rather than "smart-ass". ;D Mike |
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Post by Jager.Drü on Jul 20, 2007 12:12:58 GMT -5
Yeah, was a little odd but thats all I could think of. How about Jack-of-all-suits? Whatever I don't even care, you have some fine research. Seems like a good impression to do.
Oh and I know I'm a smartass!
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Post by Doom on Oct 6, 2007 12:05:20 GMT -5
Hopefully this is not considered a "Necro Post". I am sure this thread will be used in the future as more noobs show up asking about an Enemy At The Gates uniform. Surcompany.com supplied the hat with Jager leaf. I paid WAY too much for it but here it is....Just like the movie (except it's got the Officer's piping like MAJOR Koenig in the film should have had on his)  |
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Post by odinfish on Oct 7, 2007 10:26:46 GMT -5
Doesn't look bad. Glad to see the Jager being represented. I'm currently researching info on regiments that began as regular infantry that made the transition to Jager later on in the war in order to add a bit more variety to members...plus satisfy my own interests as well ;D ...new unit forming shortly in the MD area...looks to be the case. Now if I can only convince Neidy that he'd make a better German  Mike **btw: If you want excellent custom stuff like hats give these guys a shot - www.gd43.com/ You won't be disappointed  |
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Post by petee99d on Dec 10, 2007 16:15:37 GMT -5
Sorry to drag an older thread back up again. I have a Swedish M1909 coat, which I am converting to look like the one Major Konig wears. It needs a LOT doing to it to get it right but as I go along, I can see exactly how they did it for the film (the collar needs to be reduced, pockets made smaller and moved, etc). It weighs a ton and I've removed a fair bit of the sheepskin lining, as it's just too hot with an M36 tunic and shirt underneath.
I'll get some pictures up when it's done.
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Post by osok on Feb 8, 2008 19:51:12 GMT -5
Is the bill on that cap not too big to be a bergmutze? Maybe I'm wrong.
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Post by petee99d on Feb 11, 2008 17:32:52 GMT -5
Almost there now. After hours of pausing of DVD and screen grabbing and a lot of time and money spent, my impression is 95% complete. Just wating on a last couple if items and a bit mre sewing, then I'll post some pictures up.
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Post by indie on Feb 11, 2008 17:45:54 GMT -5
can't wait to see it man! what rifle do you use? i plan to get a custom for a sniper rifle, so i'm just a bit curious. and if you haven't already guessed by my avatar, i'm a sniper kind of guy myself!
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Post by petee99d on Feb 12, 2008 12:12:02 GMT -5
I'm using my custom K98 springer. The only thing I haven't done is fit a genuine scope (because of the cost!) but the one I have looks pretty good. I'm a sniper enthusiast myself, in fact, I used to be one! I'm ex British Army. Unfortunately, not a lot of what I learned is relevant to airsoft, especially WW2 airsoft. I find the subject of the WW2 sniper fascinating, particularly on the eastern front.
Fitted a front sight hood to my K98 today, what a BITCH of a thing to fit!
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Post by indie on Feb 12, 2008 21:32:57 GMT -5
dude, that's awesome! british sniper?!? i want to join the military some time, and hopefully train as a sniper. i've never even shot a gun with a scope before, but i have a feeling that i'm pretty good at it. just kind of a sixth sense type of thing. its good to know another german sniper on here. i chose german because i didn't want to feel to much like jackson from SPR by doing american. i actually plan to put together a soviet sharpshooter impression sometime in the future. and yes, the sniping version in airsoft is very interesting. i can't wait to get my rifle, and i can't wait to see some of your pics of your uniform! |
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Post by gadge on Feb 13, 2008 5:05:50 GMT -5
I've sure Pete will back me up here but shooting is an art and science.
If you adhere to the marksmanship principles *anyone* should hit their target.
I'm not a great beleiver in the 'natural good shot' theory, I do however believe that some folk apply the four marksmanship principles (and no i'm not going to tell you what they are on the net) unconsciously as part of their natural way with a rifle.
And Pete, nice one mate, I'm ex mob (Staffords) and I know the sniper course is cock hard.. 90 per cent failure rate isnt it?
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Post by petee99d on Feb 13, 2008 7:12:18 GMT -5
Airsoftcommie, if only being a sniper were as simple as just being a good shot! When I trained, there were SEVEN tests to pass. All had to be passed at a certain level to be entitled to wear the badge. If you passed but at a lower grade, you couldn't wear the badge. If you failed just one test, you failed the entire course. You were allowed 1 resit on a test. Out of my course of 16, 2 of us passed entitled to the badge! Mind you, I was VERY motivated and had wanted (like you) to be a sniper for years.
Gadge, I'm an ex Stafford too. You know me as SGT.Heide over on our UK forum! I had to kiss some serious arse to get on that damned course. I was already a Corporal (with a Brecon distinction) and they didn't want to lose me as a section commander, so the politics were the worst bit. Sniping wasn't as "trendy" as it is now. I'm glad to see it has "come out of the shadows" again, much like it did in WW1 and WW2 after it had died off when there were no wars to fight.
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Post by gadge on Feb 13, 2008 7:30:36 GMT -5
Ah wicked, nice one pete.
Last bit of off topic stuff, did you ever get the subdued green and black cloth capbadge, i saw Mark Warrior with one when i was with 3 Staffords TA and he reckoned it was from one of the snipers he knew.
Wasnt sure if he was just making stuff up.
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Post by petee99d on Feb 13, 2008 7:40:24 GMT -5
I DID have one but it wasn't a "sniper issue" thing. It was a case of "who you know" I think, no money would change hands, just drinks and favours! A lot of us had them for use on our "field" beret. It fetched a pretty penny on Ebay too!
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Post by gadge on Feb 13, 2008 13:10:49 GMT -5
Yeah i'd still like to get one i think for when i do the odd modern game.
I'll look about
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Post by indie on Feb 13, 2008 21:55:09 GMT -5
that sounds rigourous. i actually want to join the army, perhaps the marines, and try to become a sniper. i don't really like america's military, its just the training i want! ;D
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Post by gadge on Feb 13, 2008 22:04:26 GMT -5
Try your national guard out first, see if you enjoy soldiering its far removed from the movies, theres a lot of cleaning things and bull to deal with |
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Post by YankeeDiv26 on Feb 13, 2008 22:25:35 GMT -5
Wow, pete. That is certainly one HUGE achievement to even make it past the first day of British Army Sniper training, let alone to PASS. I've seen a few shows that explained the types of things students would have to go through, that is one HELL of a course!
Airsoftcommie, its hard to judge how good you may be at something when you've never actually attempted it. No doubt that amazing marksmenship is an integral part of being a sniper, but it certainly not the only aspect. IF you are well beyond average marksmenship, there are many many more things that can rule you out of being a sniper. If you try hard enough and are extremely determined, you may just be able to achieve what you dream though.
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Post by petee99d on Feb 22, 2008 6:15:03 GMT -5
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Post by gadge on Feb 22, 2008 7:10:59 GMT -5
Looks pretty good to me, nice one.
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Post by Gerry on Feb 22, 2008 18:34:48 GMT -5
wow looks great! Too bad the picture wasn't a bit clearer.
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Post by indie on Feb 23, 2008 13:37:10 GMT -5
that looks great.
as far as being a great shot and everything, i know there's a lot more to sniping than that, but i'm pretty motivated to be a sniper, and i KNOW i'm going to get great at it. i can feel it.
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