Totez
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Post by Totez on Oct 23, 2009 10:22:58 GMT -5
That is... disheartening....
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Post by bluecrabofpain on Oct 23, 2009 10:32:09 GMT -5
UPDATE: Quote from Hong Kong Retailer (onThe biggest China AEG wholesellers worldwide):
Retailer: "Look at the alphabet, Those companies who start with A,B,C, are screwed, especially "A", it appears though that two (not A brands) will start up again very shortly, maybe in the next two weeks" kalbs: "Do you mean AGM and A&K are screwed?" Retailer: " Do they start with and A? kalbs: "What about CYMA" Retailer: "Maybe but not looking good now" kalbs: " What a shame... MP40, MP44, M1A1.. and what about the MG42?" Retailer: If the AEG's are sellers then there may be a chance the molds will be taken up by one of the others... not sure. kalbs: "When will you know?" Retailer: " May know in a few weeks but looks like at least two will reopen shortly" kalbs: JG, D-Boys and etc? Retailer: "They don't start with an A... (wink)" I walked away sadly knowing that the MG42 will be just a dream.... crap. Oh well,... back to working on the MP28II Damnit, Dboys is our only hope now!
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Post by Totez on Oct 23, 2009 10:54:55 GMT -5
Shell ejecting MG42 xD
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Post by Fusilier on Oct 23, 2009 14:07:49 GMT -5
I still see new MP-$$'s and Stens on ebay for decent prices. Get 'em now before they're gone! I had no plans of getting a Sten, but I may now just because.
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CptJericho
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Post by CptJericho on Oct 23, 2009 14:37:08 GMT -5
wonder why A companys are screwed , is the chinese govt so lazy they only go throu A,B, and C then just give up ?
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Post by 2nd Bat on Oct 23, 2009 17:00:33 GMT -5
This fact does NOT spell doom for the Airsoft community by any means. It is clearly a set back and it will effect availability for a while. Because of a lag time in shipping there is a reasonable availability in the US currently and will be for a while. Then the shutdowns will start to impact and we'll notice the Hong Internet sites not have products in stock (already happening) then the US retailers will have dramatic reductions in inventory and be unable to get many items. This will probably last for several months and then start back up as the tooling gets re-done, the factories will perhaps be forced to re-locate and distrubution channels again opened up. The Christmas season could be very grim for US retailers who didn't order early. Those who did will benefit as they have less competition regionally and from Internet retailers overseas. If China itself continues to hamper production the major tooling on more popular items will potentially be moved to Korea, Taiwan or elsewhere. This would result in a slight price increase and at least temporarily the potential for quality issues as new production starts up.
Is all of this a certainty? Absolutely not. Is it possible and worth considering as you plan any purchases? I think so. Regardless how it all unfolds it is NOT the end of airsoft or the doom and gloom sone are suggesting. Sadly since WW2 stuff is low on the demand scale we will probably be impacted the most and new pending offerings will most likely be substantially delayed or halted all together.
All of this is speculation and conjecture on my part based on information available and past events.
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Post by petermartin14 on Oct 23, 2009 17:22:51 GMT -5
oh my GOD! why are the chinese people burning thier stuff? whats going to happen to airsofting?!!! is this the smurfing rapture?!!!!
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Post by kalbs on Oct 23, 2009 19:30:15 GMT -5
wonder why A companys are screwed , is the chinese govt so lazy they only go throu A,B, and C then just give up ? They confirmed to me that yes, AGM was making real guns and someone did go to jail... idiots. Maybe A&K and CYMA were doing the same or probably not paying the 30% taxes (which is more likely) If any company picks up the WW2 stuff from AGM I hope it's Jing Gong, JG are best of all the China AEG makers.
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Post by oberst42 on Oct 24, 2009 12:04:15 GMT -5
wait i'm confused isn't dboys also known as Boyi?
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Post by bluecrabofpain on Oct 24, 2009 12:50:16 GMT -5
wait i'm confused isn't dboys also known as Boyi? Aww crap.
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Post by oberst42 on Oct 24, 2009 13:50:10 GMT -5
bluecrab, i'm joking, eitherway i really doubt china would crack down on manufacturers because of what their company name starts with
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Post by wazzup on Oct 25, 2009 0:31:56 GMT -5
look i got one of these a month ago & i am amazed. I chronoed it at 440-450 w/.20g bb. The rof is like 600 w/8.6v and its about 9lbs. Its full metal and it has a Russian style rail base on the side (i think). Defenetly worth buying. Me & my teammate were on a search & rescue mission today and we turned around the corner and there was a huge pack of opponents. I open fired on them and nailed them bad. all but one ditched, and we took the one hostage. 5 min later he had blood stains on his shirt and running down his neck. It turned out we made a terrorist swap at the end My point is that this gun is a lollipops . Im gonna put in a 9.6v (tough to do with AGM) and put on a red dot scope.
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Post by Ripper on Oct 26, 2009 6:55:01 GMT -5
The previous post is exactly why many of the people I play airsoft with are happy to see the cheap Chinese guns become scarce. The low price makes them available to unskilled newbs and the 460+ FPS is simply too dangerous for most fields without ridiculous engagment ranges. If somebody had blood on their shirt from BB hits, then you are doing it WRONG!! As a game administrator, I'm fed up with dealing with new players showing up with hot guns that just ignore safety rules. I have been playing airsoft since late 2002 and while I have seen the numbers of players constantly go up, the quality of the player base as a whole has gone down. While it saddens me to think that many WWII guns will not be made, the hobby is a lot better off without the constant supply of MP5, M16, AK clones that are being produced. I still think a lot of this has to do with international lawsuits filed by companies such as HK, Colt, Trijicon and now even the Russian government (AK copright) on copyright infringment/fraud. China leads the world in blatant copyright infringement and the world courts are begining to turn up the heat on the government there. Throwing the airsoft manufacturers to the wolves is probably just a start.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Oct 26, 2009 11:56:41 GMT -5
Wazzups posts must be a hoax as I would think that sort of mindset would typically not find this web site and our style of play especially entertaining. It smacks of blatant irresponsibility and demonstrates the mindset of far too many airsofters. Obsession with ROF and FPS with low regard for safety. He also has no regard for authenticity since he mentions mounting a red dot scope. (That's the part that makes me think it's a hoax!)
The reality is the FPS on Chinese offerings is potentially problematic. It seems to creep up with each new offering. There is some science to the insistance of most responsible airsoft fields to keep FPS below 400 FPS for automatic weapons. Above 378 FPS the potential to cause injury within 25 feet goes up exponentially.
Fields need to chrono and enforce their restrictions with punitive actions. Ignorance is not an excuse as every player should know what their gun chronos at. Safety has to be a priority if our hobby is going to remain viable and grow.
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Post by ersatzjack2 on Oct 26, 2009 12:23:27 GMT -5
Assuming that it isn't a hoax (and it probably is) he says he turns the corner and sprays. My guess is his shots are at close range and he doesn't care about minimum engagement rules with a hot gun. That's bad and would get him a quick vacation at a MOA event. If we have aeg's over 400 they have to shoot semi-auto unless they are squad mg's and I don't think any of our squad mg's shoot that hot anyways. Minimum engagement with our sniper rifles (430-480fps) is at 50 feet and I still like more room than that. Bottom line is you don't have to hurt people to have fun.
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Post by CharleyNovember on Oct 26, 2009 12:59:51 GMT -5
Wow if only the majority of some of these knuckleheads had that much common sense.
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Post by 2nd Bat on Oct 26, 2009 14:34:49 GMT -5
In the excitement of Action pursuit games people often react rather than take deliberate actions. Because that is inherently always going to be present to some degree, controlling the instruments of these reactions is a critical step toward saftey. It's always worthwhile to suggest minimum engagement rules and to attempt to consistently adhere to them but the reality is in spite of the best intentions and care, sometimes engagements happen close in. This is where hard and fast Jouelles limits make sense and reduces the probablity of injury. You will never eliminate the possibility of injuries but mature steps to reduce the possibilities is a smart, self insurance approach all groups should take.
I'm going to start a thread on effective chrono procedures in the technical section and would love other peoples thoughts on it. This thread I'm afraid has taken series side tracks.
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Post by mischief on Oct 27, 2009 22:00:05 GMT -5
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Post by kalbs on Oct 27, 2009 22:40:34 GMT -5
It was listed in January 2009 by the wholeseller for release to overseas retailers whom some announced delivery in September. Shipments were slated to the Philippines, Taiwan, Poland and US. The Philippines and Poland retailers announced delivery and started selling them mid- to late September. I would assume these were all shipped prior to the ban. Very positive thoughts though, we can only hope things get better.
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Post by shadycadence on Oct 27, 2009 22:55:17 GMT -5
Kalbs, I have heard from someone involved in the industry that AGM will in fact continue as a company. Can you confirm/deny this?
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Post by kalbs on Oct 28, 2009 3:07:39 GMT -5
Kalbs, I have heard from someone involved in the industry that AGM will in fact continue as a company. Can you confirm/deny this? I can do neither but I pray they do continue. I have an order in for the MG42. I will just repeat in a condensed format what I was told. A few companies may open again in the next few weeks. The companies that start with "A" are in deep doo doo and may be sold off if the models they make are sellers. All I talked to state factories were closed because someone was making real firearms in some factories so I assume AGM and/or A&K. They also said it was printed in the China paper (which the Goverment runs). I can't read Chinese so I cannot verify Goverment sources. (my speculation) is this is China, buisiness and money mean everything here. Maybe someone felt they were not getting their share. The comments about trademarks being the reason don't hold water because everything is still pirated here, cigarettes, DVD's, watches purses... you name it. Making of real guns is possible and the China goverment is extremely paranoid about that and have had some internal terrorism lately, Tibet is an example. Yes, they may open back up but then again they may not. You cannot think like an American when doing buisiness in China. Some facts to clarify: 1. Taiwan is not Goverened my the PRC although the PRC says Taiwan is their territory. 2. Hong Kong and Macau are Special Administrative Regions and Govern themselves, airsoft is legal in both SAR's. They are part of China however. (Think Puerto Rico or Guam) 3. Airsoft in China is 100% illegal, to make, own or use an airgun gun that fires a bb over 4.5mm is against the law. 4. All China made airsoft parts and guns were/are made in Southern China on the industrial coastline, across the border from Hong Kong. Smuggling of people for labor and sex, drugs, guns and knock-off goods is a major problem in the area. With money, anything ... I mean anything can be found. God... I love Asia! "Anyone want a Rolex? Cheap, cheap... $50 for you my friend... No?.. DVD?, Prada bag? "
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Post by Fusilier on Oct 28, 2009 5:22:52 GMT -5
Some facts to clarify: 1. Taiwan is not Goverened my the PRC although the PRC says Taiwan is their territory. 2. Hong Kong and Macau are Special Administrative Regions and Govern themselves, airsoft is legal in both SAR's. They are part of China however. (Think Puerto Rico or Guam) 3. Airsoft in China is 100% illegal, to make, own or use an airgun gun that fires a bb over 4.5mm is against the law. 4. All China made airsoft parts and guns were/are made in Southern China on the industrial coastline, across the border from Hong Kong. Smuggling of people for labor and sex, drugs, guns and knock-off goods is a major problem in the area. With money, anything ... I mean anything can be found. God... I love Asia! >> And I wake up and thank God I live in the United States!
It's good not to have such restrictive laws here.
Don't take your freedoms for granted!
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Post by kalbs on Oct 28, 2009 8:40:54 GMT -5
What does my statement have in any way have to do with loss of freedom? I believe NY city has a ban on airsoft guns too and the last time I checked NY is in the United states of America. I hardly think laws regulating a toy is a lack of freedom. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_issues_in_airsoft#United_States
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Post by CharleyNovember on Oct 28, 2009 9:43:31 GMT -5
I think Mr. F is addressing these statements.
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I see no reason for you to take serious issue over his statements Kalbs.
Let me add I don't think you can compare the US to China in the personal freedom department. Part of what makes us a free people is the Govt here fears the populace because it is an armed populace. The govt in China has nothing to fear from it's people. Let us agree to disagree and move on with the business at hand which is the crackdown in china and what it means for us in airsoft terms. Lets try hard to keep ideology and politics out of this as best we can.
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Post by kalbs on Oct 28, 2009 10:02:50 GMT -5
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Post by Gordak on Oct 28, 2009 10:18:50 GMT -5
yeah, what about New Jersey, you can't even own an mp40 magazine in that friggin socialist police state. -Gordak
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Post by CptJericho on Oct 28, 2009 10:40:20 GMT -5
Here in the west things are opposite, probably because of the lower population and lower concentration of large cities.
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Post by Sgt_Tom on Oct 28, 2009 12:29:16 GMT -5
Restricting anything is a lack of freedom. Though we all know somethings have to be restricted, all of us agree Airsoft isn't one of them.
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Post by Fusilier on Oct 28, 2009 14:15:45 GMT -5
What does my statement have in any way have to do with loss of freedom? I believe NY city has a ban on airsoft guns too and the last time I checked NY is in the United states of America. I hardly think laws regulating a toy is a lack of freedom. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_issues_in_airsoft#United_StatesI'm only saying,those of us who live in the US should cherish ALL the freedoms we have,whereas other are less fortunate.Thats all. I live North of NYC,and don't have that issue.I also have an extensive firearms collection dating from the Civil War to now. So yeah, NYC is VERY,VERY restrictive,as is most every major US City, unfortunately.
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Post by bluecrabofpain on Oct 28, 2009 18:36:07 GMT -5
oh, I thought the law in China is that airsoft is generally legal, but the police are not trained to differentiate between airsoft guns and real ones, and thus often confiscate them regardless. The police also tell people that airsoft is illegal, but that's just the result of them being uniformed. That's what i read in Wiki anyway.
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